Yoga Anatomy Meets Subtle Energy with Michael Henri

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0:32 Today I am your host, Byron de Marseille, and across the way I have. Michael Henry. And we've reversed the roles today. I'm going to be interviewing Michael and asking him about the studio a bit. What do you think about that, Michael? Should we just dive in or should we talk about the weather or Bali or anything?

0:50 Like anything on your mind, your heart you want to share? Oh. No, it didn't really ground before the podcast, so maybe I'll just take a deep breath. If you're going to do it with me. Those that are listening, please join in.

1:01 Let's take a big breath in together and let it go. OK, cool, I'm ready to go. Let's do it. So as you guys know, we are opening a studio very soon here in Ubud, Bali called the End Movement. We have two giant shallots. We have a recovery center, also known as a spa, also has a salt magnesium pool.

1:29 What? And we, we have a restaurant as well. We have a little podcast room there. Like, you know, I'm not sure what we're going to use it for exactly, but it could be multi purpose and it has a nice Japanese, Japanese feel to it.

1:42 I'm quite happy with the way it looks. I could probably go on and on and on, but the point is, is we're going to open very soon and we are interviewing our perspective facilitators, teachers, and Michael is one of those. And so we have a little set of questions here. I might stay linear.

2:02 I could go off the cuff intuitively and surprise him with some questions. Let's just see how it goes. All right, question #1 Michael, what was your first experience with yoga? When did it shift from a personal practice to something you wanted to teach?

2:22 First time I practiced yoga was in 2017 and I probably shared this before, but I'll share it again. And that is, it was Paul's class. And I was here basically visiting, travelling, kind of like a lot of people do. And I was running a lot, actually doing a lot of runs, probably like 3 or 4 days a week. And just really like I was into the timing. It like trying to like reduce my per mile minute and stuff like this.

2:47 And one of my friends was like, hey, why don't you come to a yoga class? And I was like, oh, OK, sure, why not. So he took me to a class, which was Paul's class. I didn't know Paul obviously at the time. And I did the class and I don't really much remember much of it, but I was just like, that was cool. That was nice.

3:02 And I was like, that guy was sweet. It was like kind of made me feel like this was a cool thing that I could do again. That's all I really remembered from the experience. And then the next day I went for a run and I noticed how open my hips were and how whenever I was like running and like my time would had reduced by like 30 seconds per minute, mile or whatever it was.

3:21 And I was kind of looking at that being like, whoa, what was that about? I was like, oh, my hips must have really opened up. It just felt like kind of like a gazelle running. So I was just like, oh, this yoga thing is kind of cool, you know, and like physiotherapy, I already knew what yoga was, but didn't actually know from like a embodied practice. I just, you know, I'd see a patient and I could see that they're really tight in their body and they needed to, you know, globally work on their

3:45 whole system to open it up instead of giving them like individual little exercises. I was like, hey, you guys should probably, you know, do some yoga or maybe get into do some yoga poses. And I might prescribe like a cobra here and there for someone's back or something like that. But I didn't actually know much about it. So after that experience, I was like, oh, maybe I should like dive into this a bit more.

4:05 So then I just kind of would, you know, sporadically go to a class here and there and just went to like Marcus Wayan's classes 'cause I was just feeling the similar vibe of this, like power yoga stuff. And I was like, I'll just keep doing that. And it was like fun.

4:18 That's kind of how it all started. And then eventually I kind of really got into the yin Yang classes, the fascia, the pulsing. I could really feel the benefits. And I would just like religiously go to again, Paul's classes like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, he would just kind of have all these. So that was kind of like the, I was really into it at that point.

4:37 That was probably when I came back to Bali. I was here for like 5 months and I was just like religiously going to all those classes. Then I moved to Costa Rica and I was managing a hotel with Christina and the hotel was actually bought and owned by our friends Max and Oxana.

4:54 And when I was there, the location of the hotel, which was an eco lodge, was like, I don't know, 200 meters from the beach in the middle of nowhere at the jungle. So I'd wake up at like 6:00 in the morning and I was like, I'm just going to go do some yoga. So I'd go on the roof and I would just practice by myself and, you know, do anything that I could kind of like have pulled from the classes that I had taken or just the experiences that I'd taken.

5:19 So I had done a bunch of like breath work classes and different things. So I'd basically go up there and do about a 90 minute whatever, yoga, asana, breathwork, laying shavasana, just kind of like a whole little experience every morning for like 30 days straight.

5:33 I remember kind of having this goal, like I'm going to do this every day for 30 days. And then it kind of like, you know, trickled off a little bit differently once I got past that 30 day mark. But I just kept enjoying the practice. And I was just like, this is really, you know, a nice experience.

5:46 And the whole time I was just thinking like, I can't wait to go back to Bali and like, you know, get more of this, you know, probably a very similar story to a lot of people actually, in a lot of ways. And then I came back to Bali and, yeah, just kept coming back to classes a little bit more and stuff like that. And eventually COVID happened.

6:04 So this was in 2019. I came back to Bali this year for basically the year which felt like a normal year. And then, you know, right around that year mark was when the COVID things started to go down. And at that point, and then he invited me to come in on the training to teach, but then also to be a student. So I came in with the intention of like being more of the educational, like talking about anatomy and all that stuff, not really thinking about teaching

6:33 yoga, but I was like, it'd be a good experience for me to just kind of learn more about yoga, add to my tool belt, if you will. And so I didn't actually have an intention of teaching at all. And I had haven't really taught that much over the years. I've taught classes and trainings and things like that. So to answer your question after a long story is ultimately the process of going from my own personal practice to teaching is kind of been a slow build of me

6:58 just really embodying and really learning more about the yoga, not just from the asana and the physical practice, but then also like diving a lot into the philosophy over the last few years, especially because I'm doing a lot of trainings.

7:09 I'm surrounded by people like the Jeff, like you, Paul, Leia, Oxi, all of these people who've been on the podcast before and you know, doing my own personal work. And I just feel like I'm really embodying more of the actual yoga that now I can. I feel like I have a lot more to share in a class where it's not just like the physical, the asana, the physiotherapy, the mobility type stuff, but I can actually like integrate more of the philosophical stuff, the

7:37 more embodied stuff. So that's kind of where I'm at now. Nice, nice, nice to hear about that. I kind of know most of that, but it's it's nice to hear it again. And I know, you know, there's also other things that happened in between there.

7:49 You could have the longer version of that. Yeah. But you know, I find it. Yeah, it is interesting to think about. I think you're in an interesting unique position in a way. Some people get their 200 hour and they've only been doing yoga for six months and they become a teacher and this certificate like permits them to teach yoga and now they're a yoga teacher and they start to wear that label.

8:11 Whereas you, you've really, you know, kind of gone through a process here and have already taught yoga, but now you're being presented an opportunity to teach it more and kind of being thrown in, thrown into a, to a higher level place right away. And I think you've, you're prepared for it and you've earned it.

8:30 And it'll be really interesting. Like I said, a unique situation. You want to move this question too? Yeah. All right. Was there a specific teacher this might actually relate to? The last thing, I'm not sure of it. Was there a specific teacher or actually an experience or even a life moment that shaped the way that you teach today?

8:53 Oh, so I'm kind of scanning the last several years and I would say that it's not necessarily one particular, which I'm sure is a somewhat of an expected answer, but I would say a lot of the teachers that I've had the privilege to work with or learn from, you being one of them. Actually, duh, I'm just kidding.

9:21 In case I wasn't known, I did my 200 hour with Paul and Byron, right? So obviously I early stages of that part, I was learning a lot and just really like being receptive to what you guys were doing. And it was just like how these guys have a lot to teach me.

9:35 And I think I told you in those years, I was like, you guys have been a big impact in my life. You know, this particular year was because every year I usually tell people if there's someone that influences my life significantly that year, I usually reach out to them and just let them know at the end of the year being, Hey, just, you know, like you had a huge impact in my life this year and I just want to say thank you.

9:52 So I remember doing that for you and Paul, I don't know if you remember that, but it's. In there. The Jeff, I would say has been a huge influence on me as well, just more the embodiment of just the yoga, you know, like understanding beyond just words, but actually like feeling into, you know, the stories that he tells and the, the, you know, when he talks about the Yamas and the Yamas and just like the philosophy and lifestyle and the lens of the yoga and also just

10:18 hanging in with him casually as a friend, you know, like, and just the way he sees the world. It's just like so inspiring. And because I've been teaching in all of these trainings alongside of him, you know, I after I'd done my my lecture, I go and sit down and listen to his lecture, right?

10:33 So I'm just kind of like around this all the time. So I'm just getting infused with more inspiration and more more knowledge to some degree, so I think. Just to chime in because you know, sometimes when we talk about ourselves and our experience, we forget the thing that other people may highlight for them better, which is the fact that you had a physiotherapist practice, you know, in other countries and how that's really going to inform your teaching. I think at this point you might

10:59 it might be just so ingrained in you that you forget that how unique that is. Right, that's fair. It's so like, it's like my, my baseline that I don't even really think about it. I think about like the things that have been growing in me more in the last few years, whereas the physiotherapy, anatomy, Physiology, understanding of the body, bio mechanics, like I've been learning that since I was 18 and I'm 40, almost 2 now.

11:24 So to me that's just like it's a second nature. It's like I don't even have to think about it, which is like the, you know, the sequencing to some part, the queuing, you know, giving direction of how to move the body, like all that stuff. Not to mention, just like how unique I can create certain, let's say, movements with the purpose that might be actually more from, let's say, maybe a rehabilitation perspective, but or more so something that kind

11:48 of gets into places that people might not necessarily get into. So I think that's some of my intention behind some of the way I'm going to lead classes is going to be definitely stemmed in some of that background of the physio, right?

12:00 Ability. Fascia. Yeah. Cars who knows what. Yeah. And how I kind of piece it together into a full class experience, I think is the physical element. And then now going back to what I was sharing with philosophy and all these things that I've learned from these other teachers and experiences, I'm actually excited to smash those two together.

12:16 Yes, that's kind of really what it is. Yeah, I see that too. I'm OK. How would you describe your style of teaching in three words? And why those words? Yeah, it's hard to kind of not say mobility. OK, so I'm going to say mobility unless something else comes through. I'm going to say I don't know if the word is actually, you know what I might say.

12:50 I want to say introspective, but I also want to say more self reflection spa. Yeah, yeah, just like kind of more actually, you know what it is? It's awareness, awareness of self-awareness of the body in such a way where it's like, OK, I'm a teacher of the body.

13:06 And if I'm leading a class, it's like, yes, I want to actually have the physical benefits translate through for the person, but I also want them to become more aware of themselves physically, which might help with my directional, like guidance. And then also finding pauses and moments to integrate breath and that awareness.

13:28 So that's probably the thing that would kick in a bit is just awareness. And I think the third one is honestly breath, Breath. Yeah. I feel pretty strong about the power of the breath in combination with basically anything, to be honest.

13:43 You know, when I'm working with people one-on-one, I'm just constantly aware of the way people breathe whenever I'm either working with their body or just helping them to do movements. And you know you do it in a class setting. You just made me breathe.

13:56 Like when you said that I started being like oh shit, I better breathe. Well, it's, it's sometimes you don't even, you don't even aware every breath pattern that we have is different from moment to moment because of either our body position or some sort of memory of something can trigger a different breath response. But the more aware we are of the breath, the more we can influence it, change it, and ultimately shape our chemistry is even.

14:23 For example, yesterday I had a patient or a client come in and you know, was doing some, some things with her and working on her a little bit and she was, she breathe in and that was her pattern. She would hold her breath.

14:37 Every time she breath, she held, she breathed for at least a second or two or three seconds. And I was like, do you know you're holding your breath? She's like, I had no idea. I was like, I just try to not do that and just like breathe and then let it out. And she, it's almost like it was like I hid like a, a short circuit in her brain.

14:55 She didn't know how to do it right. So just integrating the breath within movement and moments, which is not nothing new, but I think I'm really tapping into that is a really powerful element that I definitely want to put my foot on with regards to the mobility and the awareness. That's great.

15:12 I mean, with every breath, every breath we take, every move we make, I'll be watching you. No, but that's great. That's great. And I'll probably add like maybe injury prevention or some sort of thing like that for you just because of your, your personal awareness.

15:30 If there was a fourth thing, and if this was to be, like, to garner more interest for your classes and what people might be expecting, it would be to like, yeah, like, we're going to take care of our bodies, you know? Yeah, I'm glad you said that because honestly, the sequences that I've made and probably will continue to refine is really much trying to create a class around helping people target areas of their body that need attention. Just from my years of experience

15:55 of knowing that the majority of people have some sort of thing going on with their hip, that's not necessarily like, oh, they need hip openers. It's like, sure, you need that, but you're also probably need some specific targeting in combination with functional movements or poses.

16:10 That's really going to kind of help, especially with the idea of, and this is something you and I've talked a little bit about is or maybe not directly, but basically allowing classes to help build on for someone's experience.

16:23 So it's not just like, OK, you come take this class and it's a nice class. It's kind of like take this class and the next class is kind of like a continuation to some degree where. Yeah. Exactly. So it's not just a one off.

16:34 It's like you can take it as a one off for sure, but like if someone wants to come to a class more regularly, they want to see a progress they want to see like, you know, in a lot of people's cases, it's the asana. I'm doing better in the asana.

16:47 Can I do this pose now better than I did before? So I kind of like that. But to me, it's like it's less about can I do the pose versus can I see the progress of the smoothness of this movement, the mobility of this joint, the strength when I'm kind of transitioning from this position to this position, or if it is like a repetition type of movement and seeing how wow, this is easier, this is better, this is stronger. And then if to become aware of

17:12 noticing how that translates into their day-to-day life for the functional movements that they do, I think is really the cool little experience. It's. Great. Let's take a breath. Every breath I take. OK, Have a move I make.

17:28 But we do have another question for Michael. Hit me. All right. What do you feel you uniquely bring to the studio through your classes? I feel like you've already nailed that. Yeah, I think I heard you answer that. Yeah.

17:43 OK. So when someone walks into your class at the in movement, what do you want them to experience or feel after they walk out? Without trying to control it too much, I would love for them to just become more aware of themselves in whatever way that needs to be.

18:09 Maybe it's just like, oh, I didn't realize that about my body because maybe I said something that was like educational or it was just like, you know, inspired by, you know, things like you and Paul. Like some of those introspective questions. I would love to kind of, you know, infuse some of that as well.

18:24 Like just like a thought of not necessarily as simple as like, who am I? But just like what is your relationship with keeping it all together or control or what is your relationship with your body, but as a relationship with your knees, you know, just kind of having a bit of that, just like awareness of like that. Again, that's Fadiya, the self study element. I would love for people to kind of become more aware physically and also more aware of just like

18:50 those questions, those queries of the mind and of the body, I think would be a cool experience. Not to mention, obviously having a nice physical practice to some degree where they feel like I got a workout, but then also I feel like my mind also is, you know, expanding at the same time. Love it.

19:06 What does being part of the In Movement community mean to you? So the in movement, which whenever I was asking you about this, I think you might have mentioned this, but the the in element, the in element, it just feels so much especially aligned with the last answer of the question, which is just is really like kind of looking in learning in Word about yourself.

19:38 I think it's such a cool concept overall. And because of the fact that this in movement is being basically put together by people who have been in the trenches, so to speak, or have actually been doing the work. And it's not created by this people that are like, this is a business where we're going to crunch numbers.

19:58 And obviously there's elements of that, but where there's? It's being run by yoga teachers. It's being run by people who actually have been like doing the work, you know, versus someone who's just like, I'm going to create a yoga business, but they've never actually like really been in the rooms, you know what I mean? So I think that's a really cool element that makes me excited because it makes me feel like it's a real experience that's not just going to be like a a

20:23 business, you know, it's going to be really very much integrated into the truth of what the practices. Then I think the other element that's really exciting for me is the community aspect because of the fact that again, it's kind of stems into like, it's not just like a single experience.

20:41 It's kind of like how do we help this to become more of a continuation, whether it be through a series, whether it be through like, you know, the space that's created and how we do events, integration, post trainings, post workshops, you know, these little social events, whether it be with the the recovery center or, you know, who knows market like Friday marketplace or nobody call it farmers market stuff or anything where we can kind of have like just this integration

21:08 and community building together. I think is a cool thing that especially in a place where there's a bit of transient energy going through, there's still a lot of people that are actually here and want to have more of that community connection where they can kind of like go to a place and just like hang out, you know, meet with people and network with people, see familiar faces. And there are elements of that already that exists. But I think that, you know,

21:35 every experience can be uniquely created. And I think the fact that we have a platform or a location to be able to build something like that and to get creative and unique with how we do that, I think is it sounds really fun to me. Feels like a playground almost, but like an adult playground. Adult Playground.

21:52 Yeah, but not like a, not like an X-rated one. Not an erotic way. No. That took a turn there. More like a more like a not going to be mindful of my words here. I think that was. More of a fun and in playful child like. Child like playful in humor.

22:14 Humor. Yeah, I agree. It's like a sandbox where you can build your sandcastle if you want to, and you can climb the tree and go up to the tree house if you want to. And there's a there's like an element of, yeah, anytime I think of community, it's like staying true to like, yeah, I think of Colts a little bit like Colts because, yeah, you're like, it's like throw out the, the garbage, throw out the, the, the, you know, the cell, the distractions, the cell phone, whatever it is.

22:46 And like, let's just have pure connection and, and each having roles too. It's not like this is a like a luxury hotel experience where you're just getting waited on hand and foot. It's like, no, you have a responsibility. Like you get to wash your own cup, you know, after you drink out of it or something, you know, some sort of exchange like that.

23:06 I don't know, I just went off there, but just curious on how that might play out as well. What's your favorite yoga pose and why? My prerecorded answer is 1, but I'm going to take an extra moment to see if it's still real and true. So what I normally say is triangle pose. I really like triangle.

23:35 It's just a it's nice. It's just a nice pose. I don't. Know why it's very nice? Something it's expansive, expansive, you know, it feels like it's strength, core building, but it's also, I don't know, there's just a lot of elements.

23:45 That I really like in my body really well. But honestly, when I get on a mat, one of the first thing I always want to do is puppy dog. Oh. OK, yeah, yeah, you're a puppy dog. I don't know why it's just I get there and it's just like I feel like it's, it's not so stressful on like my knees, which I've had issues. I feel like it starts to open up my shoulders. It opens up, you know, my core a little bit. My back kind of feels like it's getting that lengthening without needing to like support my whole

24:09 body weight like a down dog and I just really like it. It almost feels like it's a prep for me to get into even child's pose, to be honest. I just I. Just love you could tell a lot about somebody they they share their favorite yoga pose. Yeah, what does it tell you about me? I can't tell you that because it's it's information that. Puppies.

24:27 Puppies. When you use on you, it just means you're tight in your thoracic spine or like, or to some level it makes you, you know, like you, you feel an ease come through your body when you do that, which means maybe it relax your neck and then you come to child's pose and rest your forehead down. And you know, maybe it's has to do with a little bit of that, that solar plexus heart relational field kind of stuff. You know, that's just like, let me just let me just go ahead and touch on that.

24:53 What's important to me and it's how I relate to the world. Yeah, it's also probably that I sit in this chair and do podcasts and, yeah, website building. Yeah, it could be that as. Well, so my body just needs that. Which is also kind of a disconnection from the relational field, right?

25:08 Because how can you relate to a fucking computer? Yeah, you know, you can try and hopefully we'll never have to completely do that and we don't have to rely on that as long as we have humans around or pets or any living beings.

25:24 OK, So what are your, what are you currently exploring or refining in your own practice right now? The answer to that question is more awareness of the energetic body. It's probably the vague way of saying the deeper version of that, which is basically just, yeah, tapping in a little bit more into energy centers within this, within the system, the body for myself, of course.

25:58 But then also just creating more awareness of that of others. And then learning through basically a course that I'm taking and you are also taking that is helping to give a bit more structure to that. Because when you even just saying the word energy centers and energy or energetic body that can really just fall on like doesn't have like a foundational structural support of like, what does that actually mean? Maybe for some people it does, but I found that by kind of learning a bit more about the

26:31 structure and certain models and theories and how this can be perceived, which actually reminds me a lot of my physiotherapy education, which was like, let's like learn at all the ways in which physiotherapy came to pass.

26:44 And then from that, you can kind of, you know, take it with your own practice and how you want to take it. So by kind of exploring energy in these different ways, I've starting to really, I'm basically a student of energy right now is what it feels like and really allowing myself to be just that and then allowing it to kind of come through in different ways, whether it be for my own self with my patients and excitingly, hopefully within the class.

27:10 And just seeing how that might shift the way that I facilitate or hold space in a room. So that's really exciting to me, actually, Yeah. I think Einstein said something like, you know, energy, something it's all that matters or everything is energy, something like this.

27:26 And yeah, I mean, what's when you say energy, you know, for the people listening, it's, it's not just energy, it's more of that subtle, that subtle body energy, the stuff that they might not necessarily relate to the, the rational mind thinking of like, I got a lot of energy, let's run around the room.

27:46 I got to run, you know. No, it's more about the capacity for consciousness to emerge through the subtle energy body is from what I what I would add to that, the capacity for which consciousness can emerge. Yeah. So it's kind of stepping a little bit outside of the physical stuff. I feel like I've I've kind of got my more than my 10,000 hours in that and it's like I love it and I still, you know, enjoy being a part of that world.

28:18 But there's also another part of me as a human that just I like to be challenged. I like to grow, I like to learn and evolve and energy just in this conversation itself is a can be a complicated topic to kind of unfold. So to me, it's like I want to kind of learn more about it.

28:35 I want to really see how much I can unpack from that. What exists in the world, How are we looking at it? How are different people looking at it? And I think that to me is what's exciting is it's almost the complete opposite of what I'd learned for so many years.

28:47 It's a nice combination, yeah, definitely can make for a very interesting yoga facilitator or whatever you end up doing facilitating, right? I think that's awesome. OK, So what do you think some of your, your, I think the last question here, what do you think some of your phrases might be in yoga class? You know, like sometimes you just develop them when you teach a lot of classes.

29:11 Like for example, one thing I say is 0 shit, what kind of what do I say? I'll say steady breath, steady mind. That's like one thing I'll I'll throw out there every Class A couple couple times. I feel like part of you like giggles a little bit inside when you do. It yeah, it's just like, it's just like it's time to say the thing you know, and familiarity comes up and people who take the class probably like.

29:34 He said the thing I needed again, steady breath, steady mind. Or, you know, whether it's the whole child's pose thing, we could always rest in child's pose if you need. Or sometimes I'll be like, OK, you can go outside and if you need to take a break, go outside, grab a doughnut, smoke a cigarette, all good, take a break. But if you want to practice yoga and honour yourself and where you're at, take an energetic step back from what we're doing, take child's pose, things like

30:01 that. What are you going to say, man? You know, I haven't really thought about that too much. I, I don't think about those things. The classes that I have taught, I actually try to trust myself in those moments to like let whatever comes through come through. And I'm trying to like tap into like what do I usually say in some of those moments?

30:23 But nothing's actually like revealing itself. It's. More of just planting the seeds so you can bring awareness to the things you start to say more often, more than once, right? You're like, oh, that's a thing to me. And then you start to refine it a little bit. I had something to do with balance. I know for sure because I do notice balance and awareness. I do notice anytime I teach a class I somehow end up gravitating back towards some words in there, regardless of the theme or the structure of

30:50 what I'm doing. I just it always seems to happen. It just feels very like like this grounded element. Maybe you could just go find your balance, your balance, your balance, your balance, your balance. Find the balance between the push and the pull. Yeah, there you go.

31:06 You know Brian Kest and I'm sure somebody took it from somebody, but he would say that perfect place between too much and not enough. Find that place between too much, not enough. I've used that a lot too. You can take that one. It's it's not trademarked.

31:21 So I'm gonna, I'll play around and see which ones land and then I'll, yeah, put a little quote on it afterwards and be like this. Is or you can say like, hey, relax your head, you know the human skull weighs 4 1/2 point 8 kilos. I actually don't know.

31:35 You know what I might do actually? Like, but there's a big ass heads in here today, so relax your fucking head, guys. Yeah, I've. Heard you say that. One something like that. Who knows, maybe I'll drop some, like, anatomical facts on people, like, you know, you can tabletop, look down at your hand, spread your fingers wide and take your fingers parallel.

31:52 Did you guys know that you have 29 bones in your hand? Just have a look at that, explore that. Yeah. Now here's a question. How many joints do you think you have in your hand? Now tuck your toes, lift your knees, hover and breathe.

32:03 Yeah. Come back to down, we're facing dog. 89 Just kidding. Whatever it is, it's. Actually 120, but those types of things may come through. That could be cool. Well, I think I covered all my questions. Anything else? Structurally and they're like. Off the cuff, I had a couple off the cuff ones. You did?

32:23 Yeah, the yoga pose 1. And that last one, I don't know what would it be from? From 1:00. It's kind of nice being on this other side. I don't know, it's. Yeah, maybe you should, you know, host the. Podcast, Yeah, I'm happy to do that. We've definitely talked about that. I'm excited to hopefully migrate some of this this workshop and over to the end movement so we can just do this before classes, you know, have a guest.

32:47 So many people come through Abood. They would love to, to hop on a podcast. I'm sure our listeners would love to listen to what they have to say. People from all over the world doing lots of interesting things. Yeah. What kind of rules are you going to set in your classes for people?

33:02 Are you going to have rules? Are you going to be like, can they like set do selfies and set up their phones? Are they going to, you know, like just kind of go with whatever flow they want? Can they? They have to do what you're saying.

33:13 Do you have a permissive vibe? Are you a little more stick, carrot like, gentle, aggressive? So this is a great question. Yeah. It's kind of like it's a very real, like in the process of like, what is it that I want to establish? Yeah, I don't think a phone thing is something that I really want.

33:32 I don't know if that's something that a lot of people want, but yeah, that that's going to definitely stunt certain level of awareness and breath awareness, I would say. So I would say probably not necessarily strict, but basically making it be understood that like, yeah, there's a no phone zone kind of situation, which I think the studio itself. Is like the way you said that.

33:53 No phone zone. Yeah, well, that's my one of my sayings. You can say that it's a no phone zone. Guess I like that. Take your take your selfie now, because it's that's the end. No phone zone, we're off to the side. You can maybe add to that no phone zone.

34:06 Sounds like ETA little bit no phone zone. Listen to my boy ET. This is a no phone zone. This is a no phone zone. Go home if you're. Don't take a selfie alone. Yeah, there you go. So yeah, so that and then the other part of your question was?

34:32 It's just kind of the the boundaries, the rules, like what kind of teacher permissive vibes take care it like. Yeah, So definitely permissive elements of what I learned from you, the empowerment structure, that permissive vibe.

34:45 I think I already kind of naturally do it. It's kind of hard not to now once you learn it, it's almost like you can't unlearn the words that you say and how they land for people. And I think the energetic component of becoming more aware of that is makes me see that when you say something, how it changes the subtle energy of the room. Yeah.

35:02 So that's something that I think I'm just going to. It's going to be there regardless. So you can consider it a staple if that helps. But I think the answer to that question that is a little bit more uniquely challenging for me is I definitely like the carrot element more. That seems more natural to me to kind of lead people to support people in such a way.

35:26 It's like, let's kind of like move in this direction that feels very much physiotherapy, like, you know, making sure you're safe and all that stuff. But again, I've learned from people like you and Paul that, you know, sometimes you got to pull out the stick and give him a little.

35:42 So that's actually an area that I actually have to consciously apply. And I've done it in the last few classes where I'm just like, I know my natural tendency is to not do this. So I'm going to do it. I'm going to choose to do it, yeah.

35:56 For this moment, yeah. And it's not going to last forever. But I'm going to do this like you're going to, you know, hold this poles or I'm going to hold. This blank hold, this goddess, don't be a little bitch. Just breathe. Sink deeper.

36:06 Yeah. So that polarity of balancing those two, which one I already have I think pretty strongly. So the permissive field feels very natural to me to to kind of do the carrot thing. So I think I'm just going to pull in a little bit of that what I would call Paul energy, a little bit more of that intensity.

36:20 That carrot I think is going to, I'm sorry, the stick I think is going to help the balance out my style. Yeah, for sure. Well, that's it, man. Thanks for the contributions. Letting us and all the listeners know what what they can look forward to.

36:35 And they attend your classes at the end movement. Yeah. And I'm sure some recordings will come on as well. So some online options, some offerings will be happening more and more. Keep your ears and eyes tuned in to what's next.

36:49 And anything you want to say before we sign off, I'm going in. Oh yeah. Oh, I think that's it. Signing off.