How Narratives Shape You: Facts, Hype, and Truth with Byron and Michael

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2:01 Anyways, so we are today. This is Byron, by the way. And Michael here, of course, yeah. We are going to go into a topic today that has to do with stories. It has to do the the word narrative is thrown around sometimes and that's the one that resonates for me right now with this subject.

2:26 So creating a narrative, Michael, what do you have to say about this topic? Yeah. So like thinking of the word narrative, it can be used in different contexts. You know, if you think about like a story or a movie or a, you know, some sort of plot or something like that can be kind of seen as like an overarching story or an overarching like path or direction in which something's being carried. But I think in the context in which I believe we're asking or going to be kind of dissecting

3:00 this is talking about the external narratives or the external stories that we absorb just by being exposed to whether it be conversation media, other people's opinions about things. And especially with like, you know, social media and being able to quickly absorb a lot of information through scrolling.

3:25 And, you know, algorithms are basically in narratives. If you have a certain interest of something, let's just say I'm interested in, I don't know, let's go something extreme. The earth is flat. It seems that way. If I am interested in the earth being flat and I continue to look in this information, then the algorithm online will help to continue to support that narrative within my feed.

3:56 Therefore, further solidifying a story or narrative about the feeling of that truth or non truth that the earth is flat. So the narrative to me, thinking of it from an external perspective, and I have a little definition here that I'll read the story that you inherited or learned, and it often promises safety through some sort of conformity or maybe some sort of what's the word? I'm looking for belonging, being a part of a group that believes the same thing or, or follows

4:34 the same story. And there's a sense of safety that's associated with that. Like if this is the story that is being followed by others, if I jump onto that story, then I feel safe within it. So there's definitely many examples that can be talked about this, but some of the ones that I have from this definition here, family rules, cultural metrics of success, what beauty might be, what good is, what bad is, etcetera. And there's so many things in between. And then just to kind of look at

5:03 the contrast of this narrative or this story externally, we would probably more look at what is the actual truth or the inner truth of like what's your actual not story, but what's your actual truth? You could call it your story if you want to, but your truth, So the felt sense of what's real for you now. So felt felt sense is an actual term that's often referred to as introspection, kind of talking about what's actually like real for you inside.

5:35 You can call it your intuition if you want to, but is the external narrative or the external story overriding your inner truth or your inner intuition, your values, your boundaries, your desires that align with your lived integrity?

5:56 So I think that's the conversation. It's like talking about that, those external narratives, those stories, and how much are you aware of their existence and how much they influence your own truths and decisions and the way that you see the world. So that's what I think.

6:13 That's what you think? What do you think, Byron? What do I think? Well, this has been like my topic lately. Like I have a my notes in my phone. Like whenever I feel like I have something really inspirational coming through me, I go straight to my notes in my phone. There's probably a better way.

6:31 Holler at me if you know a better way, like a more organized way. Because now my notes are just flooded with inspirational ideas. They're a bit unorganized. It's kind of fun to go through them at times, but there's got to be a better way.

6:42 I feel like lately more than ever, because this has been happening for a while, but lately more than ever, I have this like stream of inspirational ideas and thoughts and just coming through me at a higher rate. It feels like I should definitely be channelling it to a book, but it's just a narrative I'm creating here we are at a podcast and at least I get to release these here and see see where they stick and what comes up from it and what we can learn. I'm on an individual I, we, and

7:15 collective experience. So narrative has been #1 lately, the power of the narrative is what I'm calling it. And there are different ways to think about this. But those of you who already know me, you know I'm a bit of a wordsmith. I enjoy linguistics.

7:30 This is the narrative, at least, I've created about myself. It seems to be in alignment with the way I communicate. And to me, I'd like to break down more kind of like tried it for learning purposes, like why is it important?

7:46 And I think you touched on a lot of really good things there. So first of all, what what my mind goes to and I hear narrative immediately I think of politics, there's a narrative that's being created. And in my home country, it's very polarizing. the United States, it's just, it's absolutely polarizing. This side thinks this way, the other side thinks the other way. And everybody thinks they're right and they're constantly fed the same news by the narrative

8:11 that's created by some sort of, you know, the media that's influenced and controlled in some way to create a narrative to push out that narrative. And then you turn the channel, it's the complete opposite narrative and it's the same conversation. So that's the first thing I think of is this political spectrum.

8:34 And because it's so polarizing, and then I think about the narrative that we have, like you said, like in stories and there's a plot and there's characters and there's kind of a story going on. And I actually think about yoga class narratives too. Like you can create a narrative in your own yoga class. But just to bring it back to a little bit more of what I think this is getting to, it's the turn the cohesive, it's basically turning raw facts into

9:07 cohesive, emotionally engaging material. So raw facts are facts. There's no emotion in raw facts. They're just facts. They could create an emotion in somebody, but a narrative is created when you you turn these raw facts into a, a story, an emotionally engaging story with intentions to move the person emotionally.

9:33 So I kind of think of the narrative as manipulation. And I use that word because I don't know another word to use, but it is there's some sort of control that happens through a narrative. You could potentially create a narrative that's more neutral and less ego based and coming from heartfelt intentions, let's say.

9:52 But at the end of the day, it's still creating the intention. There is some sort of emotional, you're drawing more interest and energy to the character and the story behind the character and the way they think. And so when I think of it like that and you start to break it down as like narratives are very powerful and they're very dangerous.

10:15 And we have a narrative about ourselves. We are thinking and feeding ourselves stories about ourselves. There is a narrative about ourselves. We also have narratives about others. This is probably one O 1 narrative. But what about like a collective narrative? We have a narrative that we all have. Let's say there is some topic that nobody's really talking about and there's not, there's really no energy into it. And then all of a sudden somebody decides to call it out like that's, that's really good

10:53 or that's really bad. And then there's a narrative that's created and then they start to add details to that. Well, that's good because of this, or that's bad because of this. And all of a sudden there's it's like narrative is essentially energy.

11:07 And Dang, it can be hard to overcome because when you're asking for opinions from other people, a lot of times you just, you're just getting a narrative of something. And so to make a decision off raw facts, now you're now you're engaging that emotional energy into and it's not even your emotional energy, it's somebody else's projected emotional energy onto what they think that you should do.

11:29 And here you are. Maybe you're able to look at the raw facts and there's a lot of yogic wisdom that maybe we can reference that has to do with this, like a vidya and the stress, what is that one the stress related to? Misperception keeps us fused with old stories there.

11:46 You go so miss there's it's in the yoga philosophy even like a narrative is essentially ego. An ego right or wrong, good or bad or indifferent, positive, negative or neutral, unhealthy or healthy narrative feeds your ego.

12:04 Ego is identity and who you think you are or what you think something else is or you think someone else is, what you even think about a culture, for example, what do you think about a certain race, what you think about yoga in general.

12:20 So hype, when you create hype around something and hype to me is like, oh, you got to go do this. This movie is insane. You got to go to this concert. You got to go to this yoga class is epic. Oh my gosh. Like some things are really hyped up. That's feeding a narrative.

12:37 It's creating emotional energy behind something that may or may not be worth your time. The raw facts are missing. And so it can be a beautiful experience to create a narrative around something, but it can also be very limiting and very damaging. And some people, I'm noticed, it's like their life revolves around just creating narratives on everything. That's what I believe, like almost they think they're here to do that.

13:04 But a lot of our listeners are into yoga and philosophy, and this won't be a new topic for them to be able to, to also just understand that that's a narrative. And to you to just listen to it, you know, and be vested and as interested as as you really want to be.

13:25 And not to just get swept into it because you have you have no control over your own discernment over what's real and what's not real. I mean, isn't it like, remember the old tabloids? I remember, like the National Enquirer magazine? I'd be standing in line.

13:42 And this is, you know, some of the the younger millennials and Gen. Z people may not understand this, but maybe they're still out there. I'd be at the grocery store. They'd have all these magazines there. I'd be like, mom, I'm going to get the sports magazine. And like, what's this one?

13:53 This magazine is what that's like. It's, it's, it's an outrageous claim. Celebrities exposed so and so, you know, did something whatever ridiculous. Or a lie. It's like so and so decided to quit their, you know, Tom Cruise has decided to actually be a pilot.

14:16 And then like, Go Top Gun has changed his mind. He's becoming a pilot. Just making something up that didn't happen. And the magazine would portray it as true, creating a false narrative that is very interesting to people because they love.

14:28 We love it. We are obsessed with getting emotionally involved with stuff as humans. We almost like need it. It's addicting. It's like our culture, most of societal culture these days. I'm not saying everybody. I don't think it's natural to be this way. I think it's normal.

14:44 We've been conditioned to where we just eat it up. Give. I don't, I don't even want to have control of my emotions. I just want to go on all these rides and just sit here and, and you take me on a ride. And if I get too uncomfortable, then I'll create my own negative narrative about it and I'll share it to everybody so they'd stay away from you. And I'll create my positive narrative about these things. And instead of me just sitting in my own autonomy and my own personal choice and feeling

15:09 empowered to pick and choose what sweeps me away and what doesn't. Constantly think about this, the more I engage with decision making on levels of business and things that other people are involved with and how they may or may not have the capacity to see the hype and the narrative around things. So OK, the power of narrative.

15:34 Yeah. So there is a couple emotional tones that I have here related to external narratives, which is a pressure and a shame if you deviate from the narrative or you move away from it potentially. So I hear you with the hype and kind of building this up, but like, let's just say you're in a community or you're with people and the community is involved with that narrative.

15:59 But you as an individual who thinks freely has a more of a perspective of like, well, what is the truth versus like, I'm just going to jump on the bandwagon as they say. And this saying, the shame, if you actually deviate from it, and if you actually speak up against something that is collectively agreed upon as a story or a narrative, then it often gets shamed. Yeah, I can think of a few examples. I won't say them out loud because they're sensitive topics and I don't want to stir the pot

16:29 right now, right? But if you hold a strong opinion about a certain narrative and someone else either either that opposes that or honestly it's not even opposing, it's just neutral. Neutral to them is opposing then that is considered a threat or considered apathy or indifference or hate. And that person is now outcasted from your your circle and you will no longer be receptive to anything they have to do with. So that's, that's, that is what it is good, bad or indifferent, right?

17:13 But it's the truth. It's the truth that's out there. And then if you actually follow a narrative and you do it well as you, you know, like you kind of like accept it and go through with it, there's a certain level of, let's say pride that is a that comes in because you're like, oh, I'm following it.

17:29 And now I'm like almost being accepted. And that in the case I would say pride is not a good thing. Agreeable, right? Like just becoming so agreeable in an, in a moment and you don't even catch yourself. You're just being agreeable. You don't even know it.

17:44 You're an autopilot agreeable just because you like the energy, you're following the emotional thing and you're, there's something about you internally that knows. Let's call it safety, acceptance, love, appreciation, acknowledgement. You're receiving all these things just by being agreeable and going with the narrative, even if you're not even coherently connecting if that's the truth to you or not, right? You don't even interested.

18:08 You're just like, oh, more belonging, more acceptance. This is great. Exactly, Exactly why I have conversations. This is why I talk to people in the 1st place. Let's go. Yeah. And that's a universal trauma that people experience. This is a sense of, let's say, worthiness or belonging. You know, there's kind of varying degrees of this, but like people want to belong and they want to be feel worthy. And everybody has a certain degree of that challenge, like being enough, if you will.

18:34 And when you are agreeing upon a story or something like that, you're kind of trying to basically not deviate from what is accepted. And it helps to kind of keep you feeling safe and sensely belong. And if you were to, let's say, counter against that or potentially just like create, actually, I think we'll go with the creation of a narrative than you creating a narrative about something and hyping it up or someone, let's just say someone is doing it.

19:08 You are possibly perceiving yourself as more valuable because you're bringing a story to people's attention about a particular thing, and therefore fueling a certain part of you that wants to feel worthy. Or love because you're the one that discovered it. That is definitely a common thing, being the first to know, the first to share.

19:32 That's usually, I would say more in the younger years of life. Well, it's definitely something that I've experienced in younger years. As maturity comes through, hopefully for us adults, we recognize that that's not that really important. But I would say that there is a certain amount of like who noticed this first?

19:47 Who came up with it first? I'm going to share this thing with other people because I found it and it's cool, but like, have I actually checked the facts about it? Or am I just sharing this because I think people are going to like it and therefore that means they might actually like me? Or maybe that could also come from just to play the other side of that.

20:07 That could come from like a deep responsibility or calling to, to be able to share the things that have really worked for you. Or maybe you feel like you just have a keen eye for this thing and you're, you know, you're kind of helping society friends to discover it as well. So I think both sides could happen. Absolutely, yeah.

20:32 It's just an interesting kind of way of looking at like, first of all, the whole idea behind this conversation is like, are we even aware of the narratives that exist around us? And how many of your thoughts, your opinions about things, are they actually yours, or were they implanted at some point in time and you've just been rolling with it for a long time?

20:52 Yeah. And when people, you know, where we've been taught, many of us have been taught that. And it's it's pretty true. I believe that when you speak up, the like the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Never heard that. Like the squeaker, the wheel, you know, the if you're a little louder, you get more attention.

21:12 And so this has been baked into our many of our upbringings in society. And it doesn't mean everybody's actually learned to do it, but many of us have. And we're like, well, if you want attention, you better, better create engagement from others.

21:28 And how can you do that? Well, either use your voice and speak up or you create a story. And so it's, it's this kind of, and it's kind of baked into our culture. In my opinion, it's a little unfortunate that we, we, you have to speak up in order to get attention.

21:48 And that's, that's rewarded more than, than not speaking up. And then I, I know that that's, there's benefits to speaking up and we need to find our voice. I, I think that's a beautiful thing, but there's the two sides of everything.

22:02 And I think it can also be you can use your voice in a way that's overbearing too much, not in alignment with truth, not aligning your actions, words and thoughts, which is called truthfulness. So not being truthful with your words. And yeah, I mean, so, so many people have tried to destroy people's lives actually through this as well. Like oftentimes couples that break up or if there's children involved and they create this narrative around this parent is bad or like they want they're

22:38 manipulating a younger mind. I've seen this happen way too close to home and I've, I've gotten to witness it and it's, it's paralyzing. You can't do anything because you're the more silent you are. It feels, it feels like it's, there's an injustice there. So you feel like you have to do the same thing or you have to speak up.

23:00 And then, you know, so who's better at playing that game? And now this beautiful experience of life that's supposed to be shared through family and love and this, this closer unit that you can trust is now all of a sudden the completely turned inside out, intentionally, completely fucked up. And there are no raw facts anymore. It's it's literally how persuasive are you? How good of a storyteller are you? How much do you withhold?

23:28 How much do you, how connected are you to the people knowing what you know, if they're able to like, are they trusting you or not? Yeah, it just feeds into the whole narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic narrative that is out there really strong right now.

23:47 Even those words kind of have their own broad meanings, right? Yeah, it makes me think unfortunately about like the legal system and lawyers, like they're basically just trying to fight two different narratives against each other.

24:00 One of them is hopefully the truth and the other one is obviously not because they're, even though there can be multiple truths, often times I would say they're they're polarizing in that sense. So you know, it's all around us.

24:12 Of course, hopefully that's not a situation that we need to be kind of like going into that place is obviously I'm sure some emotional energy related to legal and lawyer related stuff. But to just to kind of bring it in a little bit like you mentioned truthfulness and Satya.

24:26 So like living with what's actually real, not what's actually been rehearsed or been like, you know, like implanted within you. And that's part of like that intuition and checking in like what is actually true and real for you, You know, maybe it's maybe facts is part of it, like science and evidence based stuff is obviously very helpful for kind of knowing what's actually real and not real.

24:46 But I think there's a certain amount of awareness or consciousness about this conversation that needs to be present at all times because we're constantly surrounded by narratives. We're constantly surrounded by stories, whether it be ones that we've already been injected with and that are currently like stewing within our system or ones that we're picking up new everyday.

25:07 Often times there's a lot that can come through the media, social media in particular. And then there's this other concept, excuse me, let's see if I can say this right, Saksi Baba, which is witness consciousness. So seeing the story without actually becoming the story, and that's part of that awareness, are you able to even become aware that this is a story that exists?

25:31 Is it the truth? Maybe it is the truth, but asking yourself that question is probably a good place to start. Yeah, sometimes for sure. I think that's a really deep one. Witness. Convention. Witness. Witness consciousness. Conscious.

25:47 Sorry. Seeing the story without becoming the story. Seeing the story, yeah. And back to what you're saying about the Satya and the truth, I think of oftentimes, and I may have said this on one of our podcasts about language and really what language is designed to do. If you look at it from a really pure perspective, like a real, honest, pure, wholehearted, well-intentioned perspective, our words are designed to help navigate truth. I'm hungry.

26:23 You know, it all started there. Probably rubbing my stomach, right? Trying to get some point across that I need something that's the truth. Or maybe there's some affectionate symbol where like a hug. But and then it is we developed our palette of words to use like I'm hungry or in another language, some other way to say that.

26:46 And then eventually that evolves to be like, you know what, I'm, I can't really decide where I want to eat. You know, this restaurant so good. And I've been there four times. But the last time I was there, they like they they just didn't deliver as well.

26:58 Took too long and it smelled a little funny. But this new restaurant, you know, Tina actually said it's the best one in town and I think I should try it out. And the truth is what? You're still hungry. The truth is you're still hungry.

27:15 But the narrative has gotten in the way to where you're like, you're not even focused on the truth anymore. But we can get caught up in that. And it can be kind of fun. But you can overlay that on things that aren't so fun as well, you know, when it comes when it comes to things that are actually like, really pulling at your heartstrings and big decisions in life.

27:35 But yeah, words are designed to get you closer to the truth from a purely Satya perspective, which is interesting because here we are on a podcast, 2 talking hearts. I like to say, rather than talking heads, we are people.

27:49 We're we're on a platform right now where people enjoy talking, they'd enjoy conversation. And this is a conversation about how we need to have more honest conversations, more factual based, heightened awareness, just truth based.

28:10 You know, I also, while it's on my mind and I don't want to forget this, it just came up. The victim mentality is often times created through this. You just, you know, we all seen it. You may have experienced it. I mean, I think I have experienced it in my life where I've just I'm just the victim here.

28:27 Like everything was piled up against me to like fail and that was not I don't have any responsibility in that. It was definitely not my fault. And some people live in that state and they're just so unaware that that's a pattern that's coming up for them, that's happening through a narrative. I'm always the victim, even though that's not what they say to themselves.

28:49 But they say I'm always, I'm never at fault. It's this person did this to me. And then it's just like digging you deeper and deeper. It's like getting that shovel and you just keep on going down there, just keep going down.

29:02 All of a sudden you're so down there, so far down, you can't even see up anymore. It doesn't even you, just you think that's your natural habitat now you can't even see that there is light up there until maybe something happens, hopefully someday where you get shaken, that gets shaken out of you. Enough.

29:20 Yeah. So just to kind of address that from like a neurological perspective, there's a process called the default mode network within our brains that strings together memories or information into a self narrative, kind of like what you're saying. And it loves coherence, it loves consistency. So if that narrative is being reinforced on and on and on, then it the, the default network part of our brain really likes that, even if the information is outdated, like it's been there for so long, but it's because

29:50 it's still being reinforced. This is kind of like why old habits die hard, you know, like older people that have a certain narrative about the world or some of the the sensitive topics of the world, whether it be racism or gender stuff.

30:05 And like all that. Even if it's outdated, the self narrative that's been created in our brain is going to want to keep that for as long as possible because that's what the body likes. But when a new experience starts to come in and contradict that old narrative or that old script, the brain experiences what we call prediction error.

30:25 And that discomfort within our system, or within the nervous system in particular, often pushes back against with that familiar story. Interesting. I wonder if that has anything to do with the way like if you are thinking like kind of quick witted and you're kind of catching somebody and they're like, oh, how are you?

30:47 You know, whatever simple, normal, predicted, you know, insert so many different things like thank you or I'll see you later. You know, all these things we do and ask me how I am. How are you? I am. Ask me again, you are what?

31:08 How are? How are you? I I'm good. I guess that's what we say, right? I was trying to think of another way to answer it, but I guess you can ask it differently and throw people off. How art thou? How graceful are you? How is your heart today?

31:28 What's alive for you? What's present for you? How's your breathing today? Right. How are your chakras spinning lately? How was your bowel movement this morning? Is respiration going well? Yeah. So I I think maybe that's what that has to do with something about. That's like, because I do that sometimes, like when someone says a normal predicted thing to me, sometimes I just interrupt it with like, I catch you off guard and say something that right, could even be potentially

31:54 hilarious. But they're not, they can't even catch it because they're just like they're thrown off and they're like error, brain error. And they're just like or, or, or, and a lot of people will just kind of just get stunned and then be like, oh, OK, I'm going to carry on with the next thing. If it's a more intimate conversation, like, you know, and it's, I'm thinking of classes, sometimes it's these really quick interactions.

32:15 But if they're a little longer than they might be like, oh, that. Let's go into that for a minute. Yeah, that's interesting. That's. Yeah, for sure. I mean, subconsciousness and consciousness is a, there's a part of that that can be involved in this whole thing. Like stories are living in our subconscious information that kind of goes into that back part of our mind, which is habits and just things that allow us to operate from an autopilot perspective.

32:40 And anytime we operate outside of that, it kind of has this, what we call the prediction error. And it makes it a little bit more like, oh, jarring unless we have the energy or the space or even just the awareness to become conscious of the actual thing that's happening, which is like, oh, they asked me a question.

32:56 Am I just going to go back to the I'm good or is it like? If you're just super present and you're not operating from predicted. Then you're then you're going to Satya. Then you're in the truthfulness, actually operating from a place of truth, the present truth.

33:12 So feels like we covered a lot in a short amount of time. How long has it been? I'm thinking around I don't know so. 25 minutes. 25 OK, 25 minutes. OK, so let's let's start to get this closer to resolution, which is what you do in a narrative. You actually it, it's kind of what you do. You go through the the characters, who is the story about the setting, where and when that is happening, the plot, what happens and why the conflict is there, the tension, the challenge that drives the

33:42 story. And then you get to the resolution, how it concludes or transforms. So I think we've done that. We've had some emotional energy earlier going, I was like, you know, kind of the power struggle and all this. And you know, we define some characters in there. Let's bring it to yoga for resolution. You go into yoga as a yoga facilitator teacher. See our podcast on roles.

34:07 If you don't understand why I'm bracketing that, but basically yoga teacher, you are every single time, whether you have a 60 minute, 45 minute, 90 minute class retreat, whatever, you are facilitating a story for the students.

34:24 Now if it's like a an Ashtanga based, it's like it's not going to have as much layered stories because you're really following a sequence. So I understand, like if you're committed to a sequence more than you are anything else, that's a little different. But if you're actually going into storytelling within your class, then you're very much creating a narrative. What are you feeding people in your narrative? What are you hyping up, right?

34:50 Are you hyping up ego? Are you hyping up choice, empowerment, autonomy? Are you hyping up intention? Are you hyping up that you know, we are unity consciousness? Are you hyping up victim mentality? Like how are you you creating this experience for people through your words? I mean, it's unlimited.

35:15 I could go on and on. That's just what came to my my mind through your story. And I will say with the sequencing, if you understand sequencing, especially for like standing sequences, if you're in vinyasa, creative vinyasa is really hard. It's the hardest one probably to get philosophy in there and create this narrative of yogic wisdom and also tell transformational stories within it and also frame it in the point of view so that they can embody how they could do it, not just hear your own personal

35:47 stuff. Then you need to know sequencing pretty well. Yeah. In yoga, you can do it much easier because there's less, there's more space, there's less queuing for the poses. But yeah, what are we feeding? You know, what are we nourishing people with? And when it comes to the storytelling and knowing that silence in space in a lot of beginners, all people need to hear that, Not just beginners need to hear that silence space. Letting things land contributes

36:22 to the narrative. It helps things land within the stories that you're telling. And my suggestion here is whatever transformational story that you might be sharing, maybe it is a starts as a personal level and then you look at that story and you start to think about what did I learn from that interaction or story or relationship?

36:45 What did I learn about myself? And then from whatever I learned about myself, how can I tie that into yogic philosophy and then find the parallels and then share it in a way that allows them to a bigger opportunity to embody transformation from that story in their own life? And that's just kind of like my my way of looking at the narrative before we sign off.

37:18 So I because one of the cameras went off, I kind of got a little distracted. Did you mention about bringing it back to the like back to them like sharing that personal like lesson and then also bringing it to them and. Saying like and that's what I. Just how does this relate?

37:31 To you I I heard that beep of the camera and that's exactly what I was saying. OK, cool. Right there. Just wanted to make sure. Because that was what I'm thinking. Find the lesson within the story that you're sharing. How? What did you personally learn?

37:41 Because if you did learn something, then there's embodiment there. Yeah, great. From that embodiment, you're sharing something that already has more emotional energy behind it because it's really important to you. And then don't just leave them with how you changed your life. That's not going to really empower them to do that with their life.

37:58 So usually there's a yogic philosophy that can tie into it. Like what did you learn? Is this the thing about honesty and Satya? Is this the thing about contentment and how or letting go of control and maybe surrender? Or was this something where you learned that maybe controls the opposite?

38:15 Like you learned you could control yourself in this moment, you know and not and break the pattern of what you used to lose control of what is it? Find the parallel for yogic philosophy and then that share it in a way where and also this is something that you can do too, right?

38:33 That's good. That's a good way to tie it back in. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I actually really enjoyed this topic, to be honest. Yeah, well, I already knew I I was going to enjoy it because I've just been obsessed with it lately. Yeah, there's definitely a lots of things that can do this be discussed.

38:47 I even have more notes. But just yeah, I think we can strap it up about a 40 minutes or so. But yeah, always curious to know what what you guys think. Of course. So those listening, you know, if you have anything to share, reach out to us, either Byron or myself on Instagram. That seems to be the easiest way to do it. Byron Yoga.

39:04 Michael Yoga dot PT And then there's two other little, well, actually one in particular that I kind of like. Let's see if I can find. Is it this one? It's this one. No, it's not that one. Let's see here. Oh, I can't find it.

39:25 It was another. Oh, neti neti. That's what it is, though. Yoga perspective. It called neti neti. Not this, not that a classic inquiry practice, loosening identification about something. So not this, not that. It's kind of like almost just like kind of separating what what you might be attached to.

39:43 To me it's a bit of like. You know, I think ego work. Yeah, cutting, cutting loose some of that. Stuff I think that's beautiful. That's a nice thing to add. I don't want to miss that. So if the more work we do on, on I don't want to kill my ego, but on softening my ego, then I think naturally you'll be able to to pick up on narratives a lot easier. And also, I would say kind of bringing it back to that, that sense of worth and value this or regurgitating this thing because it makes me feel like I'm

40:14 providing value and it helps to boast part of my pride or ego, or am I sharing this in a place of self or not self-service, but selfless service. So just the question, something to kind of sit with, you know, is the things that I'm sharing is, am I doing it for me or am I doing it for them?

40:34 And is it truth? Or is it you? Know so there's just a couple questions to kind of play with there. Is it truth and am I doing it for me? Am I doing it for them? It could be both. It could be both. So something for? You to kind of sit with otherwise I think that's it for today Yep and then if you want to tune in next week, of course we will maybe we'll reveal what the what the name of the the new podcast will be.

40:58 I like how we just. Contributed to the narrative about a narrative. Exactly yeah. We just changed the dynamic just through people listening maybe a little bit to where now they're considering what a narrative is. This is this is that kind of the slow domino effect into it's like that book The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell.

41:21 How do epidemics happen? And it's through the roles of a people and we all have a different role archetype. And I mine's like whatever a motor or something has to do with like you're emotionally like you really love what you love and you tell people about it.

41:37 And there's connectors who are like, they just know so many people. And so they are outreach is huge, but less people listen to them because they're like, ah, they reach out to everybody. And there's like all these other different roles too. And it's like, how does a pair of Chuck Taylor shoes or those high tops or whatever, basketball shoes, like how did those get so popular at one point, you know, And how does Siri gets so popular?

42:03 I mean, now it's a little easier to see it, I think, cuz a digital effects on the Internet. But I think that is a narrative book. It's a book about narratives. So yeah, we contributed to the narrative on narratives. Yeah. It's a paradox, really.

42:18 Cool. Thank you so much. For. Sharing your thoughts and your energy, Byron, and thank you, listeners. Thank you, listeners, for tuning in. Just one simple ask is something that I usually ask on every podcast. If it's something that you can do for us is to, yeah, we'd love to get support from you.

42:35 So one of the easiest ways to do that is to just kind of go to the main podcast page, which is currently called the Going Pro Yoga Podcast. So what I would say actually, if you do enjoy this podcast, I suggest saving it because when we do eventually change the name, it might be a little bit harder to find. So that's my first suggestion is to save or kind of whatever it is on Spotify or Apple Podcast, like add it to your library. And then the second thing while

42:59 you're in there and that main page would be really awesome if you gave us some love. So some star reviews. So go find that. Usually it's either in like the settings like the triple dot or something like that. I find that star review just give us some love.

43:10 We'd really appreciate it allows us to share this information, this knowledge with as many people as possible. And pretty soon I should share this. We'll tease. This up, there'll be some audio classes of mine that are live recorded classes and actually Bali that will be available as well through this podcast.

43:26 So a little teaser there too. Yeah, lots, lots coming. The new podcast Amazing Let. Me leave you with this. Oh, I'm going in. All right, we'll see you guys next week. Take care for now.