Holistic vs. Modern Medicine: Why We Need Both with Michael Henri

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0:32 Michael Henry here, your host and thank you for tuning in this week. This week we're going to be talking about Eastern versus Western medicine, two different but complementary approaches to health. And each system has its strengths, its philosophy and its place in our lives. So Eastern medicine takes more of a holistic and preventative approach, focusing on balance, lifestyle, long term well-being. Whereas Western medicine, its approach is more on the hands of excelling in acute care when

1:04 something is already actually wrong or when something's already happened and provides that immediate intervention as needed. But what if we didn't have to choose one over the other? And what if instead, we embraced both in our lives? So in this episode, we're going to explore how these two systems differ, where they overlap, and how we can use them together to take care of our bodies and our minds. Welcome to the Going Pro Yoga podcast. If you love yoga.

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2:16 Welcome to our podcast. So this episode was inspired by a recent lecture that we had in one of our trainings actually with Akshay Bhat, who's been on the podcast several times and he's talked about Ayurveda among other things like mantras.

2:31 So you can check out some of those if you're interested in those topics. Otherwise, Akshay came in and gave a topic on Ayurveda, and he was speaking about a very brief moment about Eastern versus Western medicine. And it really sparked a thought into my brain about how I learned so much about Western medicine in my earlier years of life and going to school and university.

2:55 And then later on in life, once I started to get more introduced to yoga, I always had a little bit of an interest in, you know, Eastern practices and these alternative practices of medicine and yoga brought me even more into that space.

3:09 And I've actually had like, discussions and seen discussions of like, Western medicine's no good and Eastern medicine is like a hoax. And then Eastern medicine medicine is the best and Western medicine is no good. And it's just like kind of going back and forth a little bit there. And Akshay had mentioned something that was like, they're both very valuable in life and they're both very supportive to what we need depending on what's going on. So I was inspired to actually go

3:36 through researching, diving into a little bit more and sharing it with the audience on the podcast. So that is where we're at right now. So let's actually dive in a little bit more to actually, you know what, I want to share one story.

3:51 There's a story that it's a very unfortunate and sad story, but it kind of holds true a little bit to this conversation. And that is probably maybe 3 or so years ago, there was a woman here that was living in Bali and very much, you know, invested in the Eastern medicine practices. And, I mean, I didn't know her too personally, but I had met her a few times and then I had heard the story afterwards and like, what had actually happened. But she was experiencing some

4:20 pains in her, in her side, in her abdomen. And she was, you know, trying to figure out what was going on. And she was taking a lot of the Eastern approaches of, of investigating that and focusing on her holistic health, focusing on her nutrition and her sleep and, you know, trying to eat really well with certain herbs and things to just kind of help move things along, whatever might be happening in her, in her gut. And the thing didn't actually get better was, you know, was staggering for a couple weeks at

4:53 a time. And unfortunately, basically what had happened is I think she had like her pancreas, not her pancreas, her appendix had actually bursted or it had leaked or something to that effect. And her body was basically being filled with this toxicity.

5:12 And she eventually died, unfortunately. And she was resistant to the Western medicine approaches. She was very adamant that Eastern medicine is the way to go and Western medicine is not helpful. It's dangerous, it's invasive and toxic and all this stuff.

5:27 And when you hear that story, you're just like, oh man, like, how do you know? And also like, God, that's so sad. So that's one example of just why, why do we have to choose between Eastern and Western medicine? Why can't we incorporate both?

5:44 So that's kind of why I wanted to have this discussion today on this this episode. So let's actually dive into more of the definitions and the philosophy behind Eastern medicine versus Western medicine. We'll look at it from a different perspectives of the yoga perspective, kind of involve any type of neuroscience related things if applicable. And of course anything related to emotions as I love discussing emotions and emotions are always relevant in almost any conversation.

6:10 So bringing that in as it comes up. So let's start with Eastern medicine. So Eastern medicine includes things like Chinese traditional Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, Tibetan medicine, or other type of holistic healing traditions that are more from the eastern side, India, Asia. And the perspective of an Eastern medicine approach is that it views the body as an interconnected system, this interconnected system where we're actually focusing on balance within that system, not

6:40 necessarily focusing on one particular element. It's more about the balance between the elements as a whole. So this emphasizes more of a prevention approach, an energetic flow approach, whether it be chi or prana, and treating the root causes of why that, let's say, symptoms might be coming through or why the flow or why the energy in the body is now shifted. So some of these key practices and modalities, things like acupuncture, acupressure, herbal

7:13 medicine, adaptogens, yoga and meditation would be considered part of that. Eastern medicine, Ayurveda, the science of life and breathwork and Qi Gong or Qi gong, excuse me. So when we look at these practices from a science perspective, you know, acupuncture is something that stimulates more than nervous system. It can help to reduce pain.

7:40 It can help to reduce inflammation and release endorphins in the body, ultimately stimulate areas of the body to facilitate healing or facilitate change in a positive way. And there are things like breath work and meditation, yoga, which activates that parasympathetic nervous system, helps the lower and regulator system to kind of balance this out. It can help to lower our cortisol, improve our immune system, all the good stuff.

8:09 Herbal medicine interacts with neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are basically data or information that's being sent throughout our body that can influence our gut microbiome, influence our mood, our digestion, and all these things. So herbs can help to influence that chemical perspective within our body, the balance of our chemicals. So Eastern medicine teaches us that health is something we cultivate everyday and not just something we address when we're sick.

8:39 It encourages us to listen to our bodies and create harmony before imbalance turns into disease. So more of a preventative medicine, more of a preventative approach or more of a lifestyle approach to our health and well-being. And when we look at that compared to Western medicine, we can look at a definition and philosophy that focuses more on diagnosis and treating disease based on scientific evidence, hopefully uses biochemical, surgical, pharmaceutical interventions to manage health

9:13 conditions. And it specializes in acute care. Acute care means basically like immediate or something has happened suddenly. Emergencies would be another way of looking at that and life saving procedures. So key practices and modalities, you know, modern diagnostics, X-rays, Mris, blood tests, which provides kind of accurate or fast assessment results, pharmaceuticals, vaccines critical for disease management, prevention within the system, surgeries and interventions of

9:46 course, necessary for severe cases with when natural healing is is not doing, is not sufficient enough specialized care. So cardiology, neurology, oncology, cancer, these types of things. So there's all all these approaches for that.

10:03 So the science and neuroscience insights. So pharmaceuticals, drugs, medications are designed to target specific receptors, kind of like the herbal medicine with Eastern practices, but the pharmaceuticals target specific receptors in the brain, body to influence basically the chemical changes within our system. Antibiotics and vaccines have eradicated many infectious diseases in the past and as history has shown, which increases overall lifespan.

10:35 I mean, I don't know what it was, but I'm sure like hundreds and hundreds of years ago we would only live up to like 20 or 30 years old. And now people are living, you know, well into the 80s, nineties, and even some people in their hundreds. And a lot of that has to do with Western medicine, surgery, emergency medicine, utilizing cutting edge technology, especially nowadays with AI, the technology is just crazy, saving lives in critical situations.

11:02 So Western medicine is remarkable. It's fantastic. And its ability to diagnose and treat complex conditions is fantastic. When we break a bone or we develop some sort of severe infection, something where the system, our body system can just not handle the healing process there, it's just too much for it to handle or we need some sort of life saving intervention.

11:24 We should turn to Western medicine. But is it enough for everyday Wellness? So this is the discussion here. So let's just kind of look at it from a pros and cons perspective after looking at these definitions. So if we look at Eastern medicine, I would say that its strengths are more so about preventative and holistic, strengthens the body and allows the self healing approach to kind of do its thing.

11:50 It helps to focus on balance, emotional, energetic, and physical equilibrium or balancing those three systems. However, the limitations of this Eastern medicine approach is that the results are slower, meaning it's something that requires time for your system to kind of catch up.

12:09 It's an adaptive process, so it doesn't really work very well for acute conditions or sudden, let's say, intense changes or disease that might come into the body. So it'll lacks that immediate intervention for emergencies and it's less standardized and dependent on individual practitioners. And that less standardized approach is something that actually pushes people away from that Eastern medicine approach, which is understandable.

12:36 People like to follow the science, they like to follow what has been proven to work. But as an example to that, you know, yoga meditation has been around for a very long time and it was never really that accepted. However, in the last, I don't know, couple decades or so, it's becoming more accepted and more popular, as a lot of you already know. And a lot of that is also being reinforced by the science that's backing it up.

13:03 But it would be through meditation, through pranayama, how these practices help to change the body in a positive way. So the science is catching up. It's still a mess. It's still an Eastern practice, but the science is catching up to support it.

13:19 So even though it's less standardized this Eastern practice, there is a lot of benefit to it as a preventative approach. Now when we look at the Western medicine, the strengths of Western medicine are that it has advanced diagnostic and emergency care technology, right, highly specialized and effective for acute diseases and it is mostly focused on evidence based and continuously evolving and improving, just fantastic. However, the limitations to that

13:48 Western approach is that it's often reactive, more than preventative, over reliant on medication and invasive procedures, and less emphasis on the mental, emotional and energetic balances. So the Western approach, at least when I was mostly involved in that Western world and only seeing the, the narrow blinders, basically what the Western world was providing or the Western medicine was providing, is that when something happens, you, you turn to your doctor, your doctor

14:20 turns to medication or possibly surgical preventions. There was very rarely, if at all, any Eastern approaches that were given. Things like, you know, spending more time in nature, working less, you know, eating better, sleeping better, drinking more water, you know, these types of things. Exercising, maybe exercising might have been thrown in a little bit because exercise was more easily able to be proven as a beneficial thing versus things like yoga and meditation. So kind of just going to these

14:54 more Western approaches as like the first primary source of what's needed. But in the reality of, you know, someone who's going to see a doctor, it's like, well, where are they at in their scenario? Like are they in a situation where there's a dire need for immediate care?

15:12 Or is it something that's like, OK, we need to keep an eye on that. But what we can do in the meantime is, you know, shift some of the lifestyle and that's more of that Eastern approach, which I would love to see the world adapt more of that in the sense of more of a prevention, preventative perspective. So both systems actually have their place and the challenges that the Western medicine often waits until something is broken to fix it, while Eastern

15:38 medicine works to prevent that break in the 1st place. Now the role of society, let's say emotions, the belief systems in medicine overall is something that I believe is evolving and has evolved over the years. But western societies value scientific proof like I mentioned, leading to that skepticism towards more of these holistic practices, which might be considered more hippie or woo woo.

16:07 Eastern cultures integrate medicine within philosophy, spirituality and daily practices and daily rituals. So it's a it's a regular thing. So more of the modern trend is that more people are combining both of these approaches.

16:20 So if that's not the way that you view these two things, hopefully this discussion today will help to open up that part of your mind. So integrative medicine and functional medicine would be the terms that we use for this.

16:34 So the emotional responses to medicine, you know, fear and anxiety often associated with the Western medical settings like hospitals, surgeries, pharmaceuticals, there's not a lot of like feel good energy around that stuff.

16:47 It's more of like a drag drawdown. Whereas more of a trust and faith perspective or emotional response would be more prominent in the Eastern approach where there's more of a trust and faith in this happening to work or this helping to move me along and, and wherever I am with my health and well-being. This is basically where the patient believes that the play in there or the that this Eastern approach is going to play a role in their healing.

17:19 But again, it's not so much a belief, it's that the process is slower. It's not as an immediate result of seeing change. So without getting that immediate, let's say, change or satisfaction of change, it's often discarded as something that is, like I said, woo woo and doesn't actually do anything.

17:40 And then there's also the emotion of overwhelm and confusion on this topic because many people feel caught between the two systems and unsure which path to actually follow. Do I follow the Eastern approach or do I, you know, end up like this woman that I described before where I, you know, completely ignored Western medicine and that's actually what she needed in that moment. So medicine is not just about science. It's also about how we feel.

18:04 It's about our emotions, our cultural background and the society that kind of shapes our belief systems and how we actually approach our healing overall. And our healing is our responsibility. This is something that we need to decide for ourselves.

18:19 We can't put it in the hands of the doctors and the people around us. We need to make the decisions on what we think is best for us and we resource these practitioners and these healthcare providers, whether in the Eastern or Western setting, to help educate ourselves and decide what's best for us. Now, often times we're not sure and there's needing of that reassurance.

18:43 And that's where it comes from these practitioners. And I get that a lot. People will come to me as a physiotherapist and they'll ask me about their injuries and like, is this something that I need to be worried about? Is this a big problem? Is this something that's going to be, you know, an issue for me later in life?

18:59 And honest to God, 9.8 times out of 10, I just reassure them that like, you're going to be OK. You know, you just need to do a few of these little changes, make these things, do these exercises and your body will heal. It'll do its thing. Which goes to tell me that there's a lot of this apprehension of trust within healthcare, in the world and knowing whether or not they're going to be OK with any types of injuries, pains, discomforts that come through the body. So there's a lot of fear there,

19:32 unfortunately. So if we look at the yogic perspective on health and healing, it's really much about balancing both approaches. The yogic path teaches wholeness or parnata, honoring both the body and the mind. Satva balance is achieved by using both preventative care, the Eastern, the eastern approach, and intervention when needed, the western approach. So self healing through Ayurveda and pranayama. If you know anything about Ayurveda, I mean we do have some episodes on it, but it's a very

20:10 vast topic. But Ayurveda emphasizes seasonal living, food as medicine and balancing your dosha or the elements within your system. Pranayama and yoga regulates the nervous system, promoting healing within. And if our nervous system is not balanced, then our entire system is out of sorts. So just a simple tool of pranayama and yoga can help to balance and regulate that system. Surrender and trust.

20:41 So Ishvari pranidana, I've spoken about this before, which is basically surrendering to your higher source or surrendering to your higher or your your best self for surrendering to the divine or surrendering in general to something greater than us. So this is ultimately acceptance that some things require interventions while others need patience and lifestyle shifts. So yoga teaches us that true healing is about balance. We don't have to choose between

21:12 Eastern and Western medicine. We can integrate them both into our lives, honoring both science and this ancient holistic wisdom that has come through over thousands and thousands of years. It makes me think a little bit about, you know, Blue Zones and areas in the world where there's people that live for long periods of time and how there's a lot of documentaries and discussions and videos on the Internet about, you know, what are they doing that's so

21:38 different from the rest of the world. And I think a lot of it is focusing on their overall lifestyle, which is more of that Eastern approach. They're doing things in their daily life or in their weekly life or monthly life that is more shaped around a holistic preventative approach to health and well-being.

21:57 And that's really the key, I think, to longevity is to really focusing on those elements, preventative care, as much as possible. So if we look at some of the practical takeaways of this conversation, right, how do we actually use both systems in our life?

22:12 So preventative care is basically the first thing that you should focus on, assuming that there's nothing that's immediately needed to be addressed within your system, within your body. And this is something that, you know, if you're listening to this and you don't have anything that you're worried about, great.

22:26 But it's also nice to kind of tackle things before they come to their fruition. And I think one of the things that kind of stops this happening for a lot of people is just the element of time, the element of space. And I have empathy for people in the world who just have, they don't have a lot of time because of just the way that it, you know, society is working, whether it be the rat race of just trying to survive with finances and, you know, living

22:56 in a city and traffic and kids and jobs and maybe no jobs and just trying to figure out how to survive. And, and that makes it very difficult to even like consider preventative approaches. However, with those preventative approaches, I strongly believe that it actually helps us to balance our system in such a way that we can actually make better decisions so that we can be, let's say, out of the survival mode and be able to think and see more clearly.

23:28 Now, it's easy for me to say that when I'm not in a survival mode. So I do have empathy for those people who are kind of really focused on like, I just need to figure these things out. And there's just so much going on and I just don't have time to like, you know, read about Chinese medicine and Ayurveda and you know, it just takes too long. This Eastern approach.

23:46 I totally get that. However, you know, there is a place in time for it and it often times it's either hitting some sort of rock bottom or nothing else is working and we just need to surrender to what will work, which is ultimately trusting in the body, trusting in the source to actually heal us and that source being the energy within our body.

24:09 We just need to nurture that. So preventative care, Eastern medicine practices like yoga, breath work and meditation. This is something that I believe a lot of us who are listening to this podcast are already practicing to some degree.

24:24 Something that I really like to dive into is the use of herbs. And this kind of goes on the same kind of conversation of adaptogens or Ayurvedic principles for balance. You know, I have a couple books on herbal medicine, and I love to learn about certain plants and herbs that can help with certain elements within your system, right?

24:46 And these are not the types of things where it's like, OK, I'm going to take some ashwagandha powder and it's going to fix my thyroid and fix my stress, right? It's not like that. It's not like you take a medication pill that has more or let's say chemical stronger substances that might actually help to reduce and change certain chemical things in my system.

25:05 But if I use something like ashwagandha powder regularly, that can help to allow my system to find its balance, deal with stresses in a better way and actually help with the thyroid. This is one example. So learning about herbs and anytime you're noticing any types of sway of rebalance within your system, incorporating more herbs into your meals or diet can help to rebalance your system.

25:31 Now, again, big topic, lots of things to learn there, but you know, you start somewhere and it becomes something very fascinating. I love it. Now. In fact, last night when I came home, I had a lot of pain in my in my stomach.

25:44 And this is probably also the reason why I was inspired to do this episode is because when I was coming home and I was having these sharp pains in my stomach, I was thinking to myself, I was like, Oh my God, what is this? This is so uncomfortable.

25:56 And I had worked out yesterday and done some core. So my logical brain was like, oh, you know, it's probably just sore muscles. I'm probably fine, right? But the pain started to get more sharp and more intense. And it was on my left side. And I was like feeling it.

26:08 And I was like, I think it's my intestines. But like, my God, what if it's something else? And then I thought of this woman that I shared the story at the beginning of this episode and I was like, Oh my God, should I go? I should probably go to the hospital. I should go to the clinic.

26:20 I should just check just to be sure as opposed to just going home and being like, OK, like it'll be fine. I'll just sleep it off. So when I did came home, I, you know, I went through my book a little bit and I was like, OK, I have some one of the books that I have and I can share it in the show notes. I believe it's called the Encyclopedia for Herbal Medicine.

26:39 And I just went, went to the section of like symptoms and I was going for like gas and bloating or like indigestion or something within that area because that's what it felt like. I just felt like a lot of pressure and, and, and discomfort in my abdominals.

26:56 And then I had a whole list of herbs and I just kind of looked in my kitchen. I was like, what do I have? And I was like, OK, well, I don't have much unfortunately, but I did have lemon. I had ginger. So I made a lemon ginger tea to try to help, you know, but to be a perfectly honest, like in that moment, I was in pain and I was like, OK, this isn't going to work.

27:13 Because, you know, if I drink lemon and and ginger, it's like, OK, this is nice, but it's going to take a while for it to actually kind of move through the system and possibly help. So it felt like a situation where like this isn't actually going to immediately help me in this moment.

27:27 So this might be too much information but I ended up grabbing a enema kit and helping to clear out my intestines because I felt like there was so much pressure there that I needed to relieve this pressure. Good news is is that was the issue and I did clear out. I think I was just there was a build up of gas in my intestines and it was just causing too much pressure and pain. And I know it was a little uncomfortable when I went to bed, but when I woke up this

27:51 morning, I felt totally fine. So all to say, like I was going through this moment of like, Oh my God, what do I do? And because of the immediate need for relief, I mean, I didn't go necessarily to Western medicine. I kind of, you know, self diagnosed and tried to figure out what was best, but I was on the brink.

28:10 I was on the brink of being like, I need to go to the clinic, I need to go to the hospital to figure out what's going on 'cause this is like uncomfortable. So that's an example there where that, you know, lemon ginger water was not going to quite cut it in that moment, right?

28:24 So Eastern approaches are more of the preventative versus the actual intense. Like, OK, this is something that's going to give me an immediate change in the body. So ultimately, listening to your body's early warning signs is really what's going to help to integrate more of those Eastern practices. So if you notice certain subtle changes within your system, that's when you can adapt a little bit at a time. These Eastern approaches, whether it be including more of these herbs in your diet or or

28:51 shifting your lifestyle a little bit so that we can kind of move away from the disease or the the conditions that may be causing these disruptions within our system. So when we seek Western medicine is when we're needing these screenings, these diagnostics. Like I was saying, like what's going on in my gut, I would need to know so I could figure out what the solution is. Right now, I don't have time to wait a couple weeks because this is uncomfortable.

29:14 And especially in my head, I had a bit of a fear from that woman's story that I didn't want to be another. I didn't want to be another example on a podcast, basically. So yeah, using screening diagnostics to monitor health.

29:28 We take medications when necessary in those situations to help ease symptoms so that we can kind of return back to a, let's say, neutral state and then hopefully find out the cause of why that happened in the 1st place. And I think that's the thing that happens a lot with Western medicine is we take the interventions to just feel better, but we never actually look at why that happened in the 1st place. I shouldn't say we never do.

29:54 We should often look more at why this is happening in the 1st place and try to figure out how to prevent it from happening again. And I think for a lot of us, because of that time and the, let's say, stresses or survival mode that were a lot of us need to face with again, you know, living in big cities a lot going on kids traffic, jobs, these types of things, it's harder to find the time to be like, OK, I need to figure this out versus being like, OK, I feel better.

30:22 So it must not be a problem anymore. So I'm going to go back to my, you know, rat race grind. So really this comes down to just really listening to your body and catching the signs early if possible. And one of the best ways to do that, as we all know, is yoga, Yoga, meditation, that mindfulness practice that allows us to connect to ourselves and notice the shifts and fluctuations within our system. That's what really allows us to make the decisions on whether or not, OK, maybe I will shift my

30:52 lifestyle and do a few of these things slightly differently. Maybe I'll incorporate some of these herbs or whatever to see how that's going to influence my system. Will I notice an immediate change? Probably not, but I might notice it slowly over time or my might not notice it at all, which can sometimes play a trick on the mind of like, is this actually doing anything?

31:13 So there is definitely a bit of that faith and trust there. But like I said, the science or the not even the science, but the, these Eastern approaches have been around for long periods of time. And a lot of these areas of the world like Blue Zones and you know, India and, and Asia that use these herbal medicines to try to treat certain diseases.

31:33 There's a lot of proof that this works, maybe not from a scientific perspective, but from an, an experimental and anecdotal perspective. There seems to be lots of cases. So there's obviously something there. That being said, of course, the Western approach is still really important, you know, knowing what, when intervention is required, whether it be, you know, immediate broken bones, infections or severe illness or severe pains.

32:00 Of course, we need to use that to address the, the symptoms at the start so that we can go back to feeling better. But I think the job's not done there. We need to continue to look and see like what is actually going on And how can I, how can I make changes in my life so that this doesn't come back or I can minimize this from coming back so it doesn't disrupt my life in the future and I can enjoy my life a little bit more. So the best approach is one that

32:25 is adaptable. We don't have to reject Western medicine to embrace Eastern healing. We can use both and respecting the wisdom of each. So Eastern and Western medicine aren't enemies, they are partners. And when we integrate both, we take full responsibility for our well-being.

32:44 So how can you start blending these approaches in your own life? I suggest reflecting on this and where you might lean Eastern, Western side and maybe try certain aspects of eastern approaches just for fun, experimentally, you know, adapt a few things, learn a bit more, read a bit more, tune in a little bit more to your body, have a bit of trust and surrender into the higher sources and see how that works for you.

33:14 If it doesn't work for you, totally fine. But I think the conversation of blending both Eastern and Western medicine into your life, it can be something that you can do to cause more fruitfulness in your everyday life. And also know that you have this, let's say, Hail Mary, last resort, not necessary last resort, but you have this like Western medicine that is there when you need it.

33:39 But like, what can I do for myself in the meantime, which is educate myself, learn more about how I can do preventative things. And I think that will make you feel more empowered, knowing that you have more control over your health and well-being. And also knowing that if for whatever reason that doesn't work, there's this other practice of medicine that can help support me as well.

34:02 So I hope that this conversation has been helpful for you to dive into inquiry of like what this means for you, what you might be interested in or not interested in on this topic. And I'd be curious to know what you think.

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