From Hollywood to Yoga Teacher: A Life of Travel with Paul Teodo

0:00 Alright, welcome to the Rat Race Rebellion podcast. I am one of your co-host Paul Tio do and we created this podcast with the intention of letting you know that you can go after your dreams. So if you're stuck in some sort of a mundane life that is not consistent with your heart and your soul, we are bringing guests that will show you and tell you that you can go after your dreams and I'm Brent Collier. Another co-host also joined by Michael Henry behind the scenes, in the background.

0:30 Helping us produce this amazing podcast, where we share our own personal experience, of the hero's journey. The struggles that we've faced, and the challenges that we've overcome to live a life full of passion and purpose, we want to encourage you to do the same to travel to see the world to live your best life. And hopefully by providing you with some amazing guests and interviews.

0:52 We can encourage you to do the same. So thank you so much for listening. Yeah, and we're also going to, of course, have some Wellness tips on yoga. Meditation and dealing with anxiety dealing with lower back pain. So they'll be lots of fun tips for all you Wellness, professionals out there have a beautiful day.

1:08 Thank you so much. Welcome to the Rat Race Rebellion podcast. My name is Brent, I'll be the host for this episode. And today, I'm interviewing Paul Tio do I recognize yoga teacher and yoga meditation, Guru, extraordinaire who's very well established and recognized here in a boot Bali, how you doing Paul, welcome to the show.

1:28 Thank you. Yeah dude. In good excited to be part of this and to be in the hot seat. Yeah. Roles have switched this time. Yes. The tables have turned if you didn't catch the first episode Paul interviewed me and now this time we get to hear Paul's backstory about where he came from and what made him into the man that he is today.

1:48 So before we get into that, you have any words of wisdom that you would like to share with our audience. Yeah, right now, I think with everything that's been going on in the world. I am Really trying to focus on my own patients, really learning to be patient.

2:07 That was actually the topic of my men Circle. Yesterday was patients and really rang true with me. As, as this pandemic continues to drag on and it's not just affecting us With the actual sickness and then in the virus, but also the economic effects and the effects of a traveling yoga teacher. It's been, it's been quite a year for us. So, having to stay patients, I think is my is my Mantra patience and surrender, right?

2:39 And recognizing that surrender is a surrender, is empowering not disempowering. I think very hard yeah too, right. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Yeah. I think this has been a difficult time for everybody. The world. It's a it's been turned upside down and shaking up, and we're in a completely new setting. So, getting adjusted to, this is kind of nerve-racking. But something that is pushing us. I think to become better people and Adept. Yeah, I think so whether we like

3:08 it or not, I can honestly say that that I am coming out of this situation stronger, that's for sure, that's good, that's good. Use the momentum that It's holding you back to push you forward. Absolutely a great great. Yeah.

3:25 And I creating this podcast with the three of you has been a light in all of the Situation's something that we all look forward to doing. So I think this is a great thing that we've started creating here. Yeah. Yeah I was listening to YouTube video last or yesterday and the guy said something.

3:47 He said everybody needs something to do. One to love and something to look forward to. And I think that's really true especially in times. Like right now, we need to have a concrete reason to get up in the morning. Something to do, we need people in our lives. That love us, at least one hopefully more than one. Yeah, and something to look forward to. So, so having a vision for a future, that's Growth-oriented, right?

4:15 Absolutely. Yeah. And prior to this covid situation, you're very recognized and well-known yoga teacher at the yoga barn and abood. I've been to many of your classes. I've seen that, what you bring to classes and how is this? All changed?

4:31 What you're offering? Well. It's changed what I'm offering because normally there's 1 million people on the island the month of August in Bali and right now there's 7,000, right? So when your numbers go from 1 million to 7,000, you are getting quite the amount of energy in your classes. So my classes have gone from very, very busy, and crowded 60 to 70 people too. 10 to 15 people, which is actually been really beautiful, welcome change. Their there are times when I'm

5:09 really enjoying it there. Times when I missed the bigger classes, too. So I've had to learn to adapt. Yep. We are brought most of our offerings online and I originally thought that teaching online would not be as beneficial to the student.

5:25 Yeah, but I'm learning that a lot of things really do work well, and people can learn online if they're focused and motivated. Abated. And if the teacher is making the topics interesting and The word be entertaining, I think to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:48 I think it's a completely new environment that we are all adapting to is this online learning platform. Traditionally, you can, you know, take yoga classes in person. But when we've been restricted to not go out and social distant from one another, that's not an option. But people still want to learn and still have these activities. So being able to adapt and create At this content is I think very important and you seem to be welcoming that with open arms.

6:19 I'm sure there are some troubles along the way. Yeah, it's like you said it's a learning curve. So, just learning how to teach effectively online. Learning how to Not just teach a class but also give a student, an adjustment and Alignment adjustment, without being, actually being able to touch their bodies or being able to correct a student or guide them through an experience.

6:46 That normally, I'd be doing in person. It's definitely been a learning curve, but it's something that I've enjoyed and, and the students are getting so much out of it because people are stressed out right now, so to have against something to look forward.

7:02 To every morning and having something to do is has been really important. So recognizing that we are making an impact teaching online and people are greatly benefiting from from it. I our first training that we did was an April that was right at the beginning of the pandemic people. Yeah, people were really stressed out, so they really got a lot out of it, right, right?

7:27 And, and people were having pretty massive breakthrough. It's not just physical breakthroughs, but Tional and spiritual breakthroughs as well. And you feel, you're still able to have that same connection and influence on people and their Journey on online class versus in person.

7:43 It's different, it's different, it's different, it's not quite the same, some things are better, okay? If you're more shy, introverted person teaching online and we're doing a training online. Might actually be better for you as a student learning online because you're doing it in a safe space. You're practicing yoga and your bedroom. You're practicing yoga in your living room. And you feel more safe there.

8:05 Yep. So when I call upon you as my as, as your teacher to teach Sun salutation, a and you're teaching just to a camera for a lot of people is less intimidating than to teach with 30 people in the room, right, right, right. So there are certain things that that help if you're more introverted by nature or if you have a fear of public speaking, which most people have a massive fear of that at least at first the on Online trainings can be can be really beneficial to helping break that curve faster,

8:37 right. And as a student taking online courses. How do you feel about taking online courses? I don't particularly take online courses as much. It doesn't. It's been really hard for me, I'm pretty extroverted. Yeah, so I like being around other human beings and other human bodies. So for me, I have done a few online workshops have been really beneficial and I've been a part of an online. Men's Circle for a while, which has really helped. But in a full online course, I

9:08 haven't actually done one myself, right? Right. Yeah. I think you and I come from a generation where everything was taught in verse in, all our school, all our trainings, everything that we've done up to this point has been done in person and this covid situation has done a dramatic push forward to digitalizing everything. Yes.

9:27 Pushing us towards the route we were already going but it just accelerated it Quite a bit. And it's yeah. And so people like you and I and in our generation are probably a little weary of taking online, but I think the Next Generation coming up they're going to be. So used to online.

9:45 Learning is going from school from the early days, learning everything online. That they'll be more adapt to enjoy these trainings. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think I think it's the direction that things are headed so you can't swim upstream and what we're trying to do is to create the best online experience that I possibly can.

10:10 While at the same time, still offering experiences all over the world. So when the world does open up, like I have a retreat in Santorini Greece, I have a retreat in the south of France. I have teacher trainings in Bali. I'll still be mostly based in Bali, so traveling. World is such a necessary.

10:34 Part of my life. And I want to share that with people as much as I want to share yoga and meditation. So, the the experience of leaving your country and visiting another culture. While practicing yoga and meditation to becoming more alert and more sensitive, I find people people have these once-in-a-lifetime experiences and and for me as a as a man, not even a teacher, to be able to be a part of of that or be a leader amongst, that is really Something that I'm not giving up, right?

11:13 So as soon as the as soon as the world reopens, I will be offering things all over the world. And I think you touched on a very key theme about you, I've just seen in your classes and your trainings. It's about the experience. It's not just about checking a box and getting something done. What you offer in your classes is a whole experience. You had the music at the end, which is a nice, touch your retreats in your trainings.

11:37 You're more focused on the experience that You walk away with which I think is a key part to your success and how you've established yourself here in abood and made your name for you worldwide? Yeah, I believe as any yoga teacher you learn that the Asana is kind of like a cult, like the crust of the pizza and you don't order a pizza, eat the crust and throw the rest of the pizza away.

12:04 Yeah. You you eat as much of the pizzas you enjoy? So I Of teaching a strong physical class. And I love sequencing alignment and actions and being really specific and sensitive with the body. But at the same time, I want people to have tools to be able to handle life and life punches you. Yeah.

12:28 Because right now, life is punch the entire world, right? And Having great alignment and Warrior one right now. Doesn't really fucking matter, right? But learning how to be less reactive to things. We can't control that's a much more sophisticated and much more needed skill right now, right? Stronger take away that.

12:52 Yeah. Actually you can use off the mat which I think is an incredible part of yoga. For those of you who practice yoga, know that there's so many life lessons that you can take off the mat. And if you have an incredible teacher who can help bridge those connections with you, it can change your life.

13:09 It has for me and Sure. It has for you. Yeah, which I you might have, you might not. Did you wake up a yoga teacher when you're reborn a yoga teacher? Or, is this something that grew over time? Well, I think that my My journey not to scare anyone away, but my journey is a perfect example of the statement that yoga will destroy your life, okay?

13:36 Yeah. Meaning that yoga, destroys the life that your ego created for you, and it makes you As a person, I think becomes more and more in touch with who they really are. Leading a life of inauthenticity becomes unbearable and I was living in Los Angeles.

14:00 The time in pursuing a career as an actor and I found yoga And became really really into it. And as the stress of not the acting, but the business side of acting I couldn't handle it. It really started to eat me up and I developed a lot of anxiety and depression. And on top of that, as an actor, You're constantly imagining yourself in these really intense situations. So, you know, like you don't go to acting class to just have a scene where, like, you go to the

14:47 store and buy some, some juice and come home. Like it's a scene where, like, you come home, and your wife has cheated on you and you have to experience that. Yeah, what it does, is it opens your emotional body up up and makes you incredibly sensitive and it makes your imagination really Vivid and that makes you extremely sensitive to the outside world. And on top of that, I was doing a lot of yoga and a lot of meditation and playing a lot of music. So, all of these things are, I

15:22 would say, from a yogic perspective, they were, they were opening my my chakras, particularly my heart chakra, my sacral chakra throat, chakra and then I would go and I would, I would Go to acting class and, and Play a scene from this, you know, beautifully written piece of literature.

15:47 And then I would step outside of acting class and get an audition to play some shirtless guy on a beer commercial, I'm like, what the fuck is this? Like, this isn't what I want to do, right? But that's what you have to do, right? But I couldn't do it.

16:03 So I kept trying to do it and then I would come home. So miserable because I felt like a fraud and a failure. And I would go to yoga and just burn it all out. Yeah, it's strong sweaty classes. Just burn it all out. And then I would come home and play guitar and burn, it even more, and it was this endless cycle of Ripping my heart open going out into the world being met with. If you want to do this thing, you have to go into this Cesspool of Commercialism.

16:47 Yeah, and I couldn't do it and this that doesn't mean that that that it's wrong either because If you think being a yoga teachers, a challenging career try being an actor, it's way harder so hard. But yeah, it beat the shit out of me and spiritually. I was sick because I was I was I was just Not being true to myself, right?

17:16 It made me spiritually ill, it got so bad that my fingertips went numb. I couldn't play guitar. My eyes started twitching. I had another twitch and my elbow so all these symptoms of anxiety and panic attacks. And at that point, I really surrendered and and got significant help and that wasn't just Meditation, it was also group therapy life coach healers like significant help.

17:48 I never got on medication but I probably needed it probably for that time. It would have made sense. And slowly. But surely Started to pick myself up again, going from a man was who was comfortable in his own skin to a man with no skin learning to grow his skin back and, and at that point after a few months of contemplation and kind of taking a break from some of the Hollywood Parts. I thought about taking a yoga teacher training and at the time I had no money, I've been broke

18:28 for several years like broke, bro. Struggling actor deck out, fucking broke like I would go to the dollar store. I have eaten rotten food. Like I have I have been really, really really at War. And I'm thankful for that to be honest.

18:46 Like it was good to go through. That gives you that different perspective on life and what it is to be broken. Have that experience is something? Yeah. And yeah, absolutely. And for the rest of my life, I know that I'll be able to be comfortable and very little money, which is so empowering Ring right? Right.

19:03 Yeah. So I was, I was started getting some help and decided to take a yoga teacher training by, no money. And I applied for the Yoga Works teacher training and applied for the scholarship. It was a work trade scholarship random.

19:22 At the time I'm like, all right well I'm just going to take this teacher training and I've just put it on my credit card which at the time I shouldn't have done that really but the second I put it on the credit card like a day later, I booked a job and an acting modeling job that paid for the whole thing.

19:39 Yeah. Well, this is obviously a sign that the Universe wanted me to do this. Yeah. And you know, that was a sign. And then as I was going through this training, I began to have moments of clarity and Bliss. That were truly Transcendent and truly. Life-changing. and very similar to the levels of consciousness that Eckhart Tolle talks about except Eckhart Tolle stayed in that level of Consciousness versus mine happen for like, Two or three days at a time.

20:28 And there was just a really quiet voice of the Soul or voice of God, or whatever that said, like, this is what you're supposed to do and I've always felt really secure in that. Yeah, yeah, that that it's what I'm supposed to do.

20:46 And it's a yeah, I think that when With when what I want to do and what God wants me to do are the same. Yeah. Life is fantastic and Blythe your inflow. Yeah. Expectations. Meet reality. Yeah. And thank you for sharing these vulnerabilities at least. So many times, we look at our yoga teachers meditation, teachers or gurus.

21:14 And we're like they're just they got it all together. It's been this way their entire life but you've been through quite a bit of a struggle curious. Us and interested in a little bit, more about the struggle, especially getting into acting what brought you into it and what kept you into it? Yeah.

21:31 Why did you stay? Well, I've always been a performer. I started playing guitar at 13 and okay, and always, it's a long, long time, hobby passion. Yeah. Yeah, I remember I would, I would stay up until like 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, just with my headphones on listening to music and I would listen to music and I would listen to a song that I liked and I would go and I would listen to only the guitar.

21:53 Yeah, that broke wind it or it was a CD and then I'd hit back and listen to it. Again, I listened to only the base. That again, Listen to Only could pick out the different instruments and be able to just. Yeah, here's something different.

22:06 Each time. You just learning like to pay attention that level of detail. Yeah, it was something that was always really interesting to me, not even realize that I was I was listening to music, kind of like a musician even before I was playing guitar. Gotcha, okay.

22:23 Okay. Yeah. And so what type of music were you was it like Metallica Blink-182 pop music on the radio or just specific genre that you were well my mother o cousin on my mother's a butyl Maniacs because she raised me on lots of beetles which to this day there's still incredible greatest.

22:43 I mean yeah, it's the Beatles. Yeah. And then later on well the Beatles have always been really strong suit. I was really in a Dave Matthews Band for Long time, he's amazed and they are player the drummer's. Incredible. Yes, sick, seen him live a few times and it's just like.

23:00 Yeah, you're incredible. And then, who else? Did I like a lot? I liked other stuff like, yeah, little bit of Rage Against the Machine. Red Hot Chili Peppers, that album blood sugar, sex Magik, that's fucking great album and Who else did I like a lot?

23:18 I looked a little bit of Metallica. Yeah, tacos. Good. But a lot of guitar, heavy instrument? Yes. Yeah. Once I went into college and then right after college I got obsessed with Zeppelin for a while. This is zeppelin and Stevie Wonder Paul Simon.

23:40 Okay I like As a musician who doesn't sing? I like more compliment more. It's a complex sophisticated instrumental Arrangements but in a way that's done, kind of effortlessly which Paul Simon. His music is very complicated and people wouldn't guess because it doesn't sound, it makes it seem so easy. Yeah, the Beatles, very sophisticated. Sting another one.

24:13 His music is really good and it's like there's a lot going on underneath Prince. Yeah. So that's that's what I like. Okay so you have this passion for sophisticated music and you're listening to these different artists taking in and how they're doing their craft.

24:30 And at the same time, learning guitar yourself and that took you through your teens and through college, and you wanted to be a musician and you wanted to be a rock star or yeah. Ever cross your mind. Yeah. I always, I always would have visions of your buns day, just rocking out. Yeah, absolutely.

24:50 Always had visions of being on stage and being being rocks. I think growing up in the Midwest, You don't know anyone who like lives in a house and music paid for that house. Yeah, you don't know anyone like that are all in big cities.

25:07 It's all one. Not even big cities. It seems like they live on other planets. Yeah, like it's not actually like a real. Yeah. Yeah. Where is like if you're from a place more the coast, you know, California or New York, or maybe like Nashville, like, you actually know people that have been able to, like have A ton of abundance, right? The Arts.

25:29 Right, so for me, I it seemed like a pipe dream but then I moved to California from Chicago, okay? Which is where I grew up and then I was around all these people that were like going after a dream. Yeah. And I was working in real estate. I quit real estate, pretty much immediately. Okay.

25:47 And was like, this is this is what I want. Yeah, you know, I want, I'm all-in, you know, you made that leap that initial jump of faith of It's so hard to make it especially in the music industry to engage in something that you want to do and not just working for a paycheck just to make money. So this is your initial jumps that would say yeah yeah yeah. So they had the jump into the Arts and I, I will be so sternly grateful that I spent.

26:26 All of that time. Studying the Arts. Yeah. Okay because it teaches you How to feel much more? How to express your emotions. Articulately How to find empathy for other people. And the value. And creativity and the spiritual connection of creativity, really. and, Even though I'm not an actor acting made me a better yoga teacher, not that I'm getting up on stage in front of a class pretending to be a yoga teacher, but it allows you to feel more comfortable.

27:15 Being vulnerable in front of other people making mistakes. Allowing yourself to be seen. Yep. Yeah. Like you have to want that. Yeah. yeah, so it gave me so much and I think there's a Winston Churchill quote. They asked him during World War Two to cut funding for the Arts. This is in the middle of World War Two and he said no. So like what are our, what are our soldiers fighting for right there, fighting for our country, to be able to create Beauty right in the world.

27:57 That's amazing. Music. And yeah, arts and dance and all of that. It's like not fighting too. Just to preserve bank accounts, right? What there is, an acting teacher named Stella Adler and she said people don't go to museums to look at pictures of people. But people's bank accounts, right? They go to museums to see art the currency for civilization is Art, right?

28:26 That's, that's the the memories of humanity. And I think that's a theme that we find here in the Rat Race. Rebellion with Michael you and myself. Officers that importance of creativity of expressing yourself of finding that authentic way to show the world how you feel and be vulnerable rather than just getting a bank account with a lot of money or a paycheck and kind of getting away from that world because it's so much pressure to be productive to make money to have the good job and I don't know

29:01 about you but from an early age, it was always just to be a musician. Was this? Unthinkable dream. That is only only the in-stream, Lee gifted, and talented could do that. So, don't even go down that route, focus more on how you can be successful. So it's incredible that you made that jump early on to kind of explore that way.

29:23 Yeah. And so you jumped into musician where you did you start a band? No, you playing college, okay, and bars. I played in high school and in college, Bars. We did like the cover stuff. We wrote some of our own stuff too.

29:39 Okay. And and then after that, I actually spent a couple years I stopped playing and I was just basically living in Chicago, working in real estate and kind of doing like the rat race. That was why? Yeah, my my rat race and it actually was fun.

29:56 I had jobs that were gone. I worked in, it's fine that. Yeah, I was making a lot of money. Go have fun, enjoy yourself. But yeah, is that part of you? That's Missing. It's not the film. Yeah, part of me that was missing it and not fulfilled.

30:10 And yeah just decided to To leave to leave. Well, I knew I was in real estate. Yeah. And I knew that the market was going to crash, this is unlike the crash of 2008. Yeah, I saw it coming and I couldn't sell real estate.

30:28 Yeah, more. This is whole thing of like, you like not being authentic, I couldn't be enthusiastic about real estate because I knew the market was going to crash, right? And I couldn't sell it. So I remember just After I sold my last house, I went to Los Angeles. I worked in real estate for just a month or two, but I was like, I can't do this anymore.

30:49 Gotcha. And then purse went to pursue acting and and study with some amazing teachers that really taught me to, to approach the craft seriously and to take yourself seriously. Which I think really helped me a lot with yoga. Yeah, um, and being a yoga teacher and having a career as a yoga teacher, because Yeah, I studied at this school where I was a two-year acting conservatory and if you missed more than three days, they kicked you out a few years. Well yeah, they kicked you out.

31:23 It's like yoga teacher training to the extreme. Yeah, yeah. And I love that because if people were serious, they were focused ones that weren't trim the fat, right? Right. Yeah. You get the the people in that want to be there, which changes everything.

31:39 Exactly. That's an okay. So you said fuck this. I'm out of Chicago, I'm going into acting. I'm out of real estate. I'm out of this world. It's not for me. I want to pursue this passion and I started, you started taking his real classes that you were really committed to.

31:55 Yeah, really committed to and so things were. I'm sure. Going. Great, your like I'm an actor. I'm in La. This is great. Pretty face. I'm good-looking than one of the greatest cities in the world. I'm sure you went through that phase.

32:08 Yeah, I'm yeah, the actual artistic part of it, I love it. Yeah, absolutely love it. And you see, you know, when you see a well-written piece of material and a couple actors creating an imaginary circumstance, it's beautiful.

32:30 Yeah, it's a beautiful and it's a beautiful rush to be in in your imagination like that. It's a, it's a meditation. It's it's wonderful. Yeah. Dude, the business side of it's very different and that took a toll after a while. I were, you not able to get gigs? Not getting paid?

32:49 Was it the type of gigs you were getting? You weren't. Yeah, I just aligned with again, like, I guess I would, I would, you know, my father was running a hospital at the time and he's running a hospital in a really bad neighborhood. And he would call me and be like, yeah, we had this person come into our hospital that got shot. And we spent all day negotiating with the insurance company. They don't want to cover him but I got him covered, and then they were able to save his life.

33:19 How was your day? You're like, that's what he said. Yeah, how was your day, son? I'm like, I'm about to go take my shirt off from drink a Coke. Yeah, for not an audition for a commercial like this is a complete waste of my tongue. So there's just such a disconnect between what it could be and what I was being offered right and Yes, I quit started teaching yoga and well I first I developed that significant amount of depression and anxiety because talk about that. How bad did it get?

33:51 And what was really causing it? Was it not your success because you were not having as much success as you anticipated, or was it the inauthentic in often? See ya. And it wasn't just like one Time. It was built up over a couple of years.

34:09 Yeah, kept seeing the same thing over and being exposed to this these shirtless photos or he's not, it's just more like Like I would get an audition for a show and I'd watch the show and I be like, I would never tell anyone to watch this.

34:28 Right? You know, it's like imagine if you're a musician. Like the only way you could you could become a musician. The only way you can have a career as a musician. If you spend three years being Britney Spears, guitar player. Yeah, you're like well I don't like her music and I don't want to be Britney Spears, your truck. I look well I guess there's really not a career for you. That's how kind of how I felt like I wanted to To do my thing, but me doing.

34:52 My thing is also me getting in my own way, right? Because if I had a better attitude, I could have had a career. Yeah. Attitude was released. Uh, burn very unwilling to compromise very arrogant, I'd say that means you have high standards for yourself and not willing to sell yourself out for something that you potentially could obtain.

35:10 Because I think many people, especially in the Arts and acting say, you have to, you know, pay your dues and do these type of things to get yourself noticed. yeah, but I've met some people that have been able to maintain their and yeah they compromised but they compromised and they have them become Jade is a circle and they maintain so.

35:31 So it's also my own inadequacies okay, in my own stubbornness. Yeah. So but I was so aware of that actually because I've done all this therapy that has I'm not going to be that way. As a yoga teacher, I'm not going to become this, you know, hardcore elitist, which is the attitude, that that I developed and acting that really, that's a yeah, different perception of you.

35:58 I Don't know, you like that. Yeah. But with yoga, I was like, I can't do that and I wanted to like I wanted to be like the news to be this pure thing and in like, I needs to be the blah blah. I was like, no. Like I'm just going to teach the class that I want to do my best and and not, not be as hardcore about idealism because I think deal ISM can destroy least.

36:22 For me, like, I could be too intense with it and so I'm very thin line and I can do great things. It can also Just wreck everything. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I was a conscious Choice like just teach classes, make them fun like just enjoy yourself and but I happen to like yoga classes that are the pop yoga classes, I don't like pop music.

36:49 Yeah, I don't like pop acting or Pat movies. Yeah, but I like pop yoga. So it's very easy for me to teach a style of yoga, that would be popular. Yeah. So it just it works for. Okay? Yeah. And you, you were in this state of depression anxiety, not feeling great. And yoga was your savior as your no to know. Okay.

37:13 How did you, how did you know how did you repeat therapy 12-step programs? Okay. Real and Lucas is something that many actors and actresses go through. Is this a common? Yeah I think it's I think it's not just that anybody.

37:27 I think most people go through You know, moment in their late twenties, were life. Kicks him in the nuts. Okay. Ya know, and, and it's how we it, I think that's our wound, and that wound is our opportunity. You can either go through life and spend the rest of your life as an old boy.

37:45 Yeah. Or you can become a man. Yeah, and it's a lot of people don't want to heal that wound or they want to heal. It's a wound that needs stitches. Yeah. And they want to put a bandaid on it. Yeah. Or I know that I did for a while a while and luckily things got so bad my anxiety and my depression that that I had to clean the wound out, right?

38:11 And let go of my perfectionism, let go of like the excessive idealism, the addiction to pass like pessimistic thought, being rigid and Yeah, but but that yoga and meditation helped. But that was no, I needed, I needed a professional.

38:36 So I was tell my students, like, go to therapy, go to the right healer for you. Yeah, get on. If you need medication, get on medication, don't make, medication a crutch, but get on it if you need it. And and, and, you know, the yoga and meditation is a huge part of it. But not all of it, right?

39:00 Not all of it. I think for me, I also just really developing a consistent relationship to a god of my understanding. Yeah. Yeah. That that helped me a lot. Yeah. So let's talk about one of these Rock Bottom moments during your time through all this going through therapy and having this really hard time, maybe share a moment that was specifically really a Struggle for you.

39:30 Yeah, I think right at the very and I was right after my 31st birthday. Okay. And I was just in my apartment by myself and I got up to go from the couch to the fridge. And then, that little 10 foot walk, I stopped. And I was standing in the room.

40:01 And I think I stood there for like three or four minutes, just so many thoughts in my head so much anxiety that like I couldn't even walk from the couch to the fridge without my brain getting in the way. Yeah, just paralyzed.

40:14 Yeah, Paralyzed by thinking and and at that point, like I really surrendered and decided to, you know, get some some help through the group therapy of the 12-step program that I'm a part of not, it's not a a, it's a different one, and get some therapy working with a life coach and committing more to meditation really giving myself a structure and that the structure was more important Oughtn't to being an artist.

40:50 I think that's really what it was. I had to stop being an artist for a while. Take a step back and heal. Yeah, that's I mean, it's great that you had the awareness to see that, and actually make that change, I think many people go through very similar experiences, but they don't want to let go of what they were doing before. Especially if it's a passion that they've hold very close to them and that they've been doing for. I mean, you being an artist

41:18 since you're in your early teams. Yeah. Such as almost 20 years that you're having to let go of this. How did you find that to be a struggle for changing from everything you knew to moving forward? Well, it had become really apparent to me that Money had turned something, the thought of making money. As a artist had, turned something that I love into something that I hated.

41:49 And, I needed to shift, because I I was just I didn't even, I didn't enjoy it anymore. Yeah, you know. Yeah. So what did I enjoy? I really enjoyed teaching yoga. Okay. And the classes that I liked happen, to also be popular.

42:06 Yeah. And the teachers that I liked happened to be teachers that wanted to help me and I got opportunities to to, I did the teacher training and then I right after I got opportunities pretty quickly. Lee and things started rolling pretty, pretty fast for me, I wasn't making money much money, but I had momentum and there was a level of enthusiasm infused underneath it and I felt like I was making a money-making impact, you know, we want to make an impact that Lisa's Light Within.

42:44 You, is rekindled, it sounds like yes, it's doing the same thing. You wanted to make an impact with your music but that got its own complications and this was a new way to still See that passion to make an impact and help people. Yeah, and did.

42:59 You was in all of a sudden I'm out of acting. I'm out of music and I'm in yoga, or was it a slow gradual transition? It was a slow transition, maybe about a year year and a half. Okay? Um, I had to stop doing the, the really intense acting classes because emotionally, it was just like ripping my heart out.

43:21 Every week. Yeah, it was just too intense and and not the teachers were great. It was just I'm too intense. Like I am super intense. And that intensity is dangerous, right? So I had to take a break from that. And I just kept getting more opportunities to teach yoga and people really liked what I was doing and I had a Midwestern work ethic. So I was working hard.

43:49 Like I had no problem working hard. Yeah. And and the the work ethic that was instilled at the acting schools were like you know, you show up you show up on time you show up and you bring it and if you don't bring it, get out of here.

44:04 Yeah. You know like it's not a you're wasting. You're wasting other people's time. If you show up and you deliver something that's mediocre. Yeah, so I really like that. I like that. Once I Did enough work to be able to love myself. I actually really enjoy putting a lot of pressure on myself. So yoga was a way to do that because the teachers were really good.

44:33 And, and I was look at some of these senior teachers and be like, you know, I want to be there. Yeah, with this person was I want to be there in half the time, right? Right. And that would be something to move forward, you know?

44:47 Something to look forward to something. Yeah. Light at the end of the tunnel to move towards I would visualize is my classes growing and getting bigger. I would visualize my, you know, leading Retreats and yeah. And all those things eventually happened. Yeah and I visualized myself playing guitar at the end of class which that was actually a huge barrier for me the to be able to play in front of people was terrifying. Okay I've been as an actor performing in front of people that's okay.

45:18 But playing music is a little nerve-racking. Yeah I hadn't played in front of people since College. Okay, play guitar. Yeah. And I was working with a mentor and he basically was like, I am not going to graduate you until you play your guitar thing and ryoga class. Okay, front of all your stats, kind of pushed you to. Yeah, make that leap and so so I remember I'm like, okay, I'm going to do it so I got ready in those going to teach like a for clock class and I knew it was

45:54 going to be packed because I was subbing for my friend, Travis, who was like a senior teacher and I knew there'd be be a lot of people in the room. So this is a great lesson that I learned so like I that day I like I journaled about it.

46:08 I visualized myself playing guitar, I meditated, I I did all of that to gratitude. I did all of this stuff except I forgot to play the guitar and practice. So at the end of class I got up and played my guitar and played horrible. Yeah like horrible.

46:28 So they suck like about like a Artists, like you have to bomb like a like a stand-up comedian. You're not a professional and so, you know what it likes, right? When it's like a bomb, right? So I bombed it was bad. This is your first experience praying in front of people.

46:43 So it's only uphill from there. Exactly. And I remember I called my mentor and I was like I fucking sucked. Yeah played and I was so bad. He goes, that's wonderful. You're like what do you mean? It's like he's like it's not about whether or not you played.

46:58 Well, is that you just did? Yeah. Yeah. I was like in think about the seems like in and now lookit he's like it's it wasn't the end of the world, was it? I'm like no it wasn't like and what did you not do? I'm like oh I didn't play my guitar. Yeah, it wasn't warm.

47:14 So then the next time I played I played really well right? But I and on it's another thing too is. Sometimes we get so anxious. We forget to do the most obvious thing. That's right in front of us. Yep. Which is to actually like practice playing the damn guitar before you go play meditate.

47:30 Journal and call a friend and visualizing all that shit. Because all great. But it is. But it's a, it's too complicated. Yes. Keep it simple. You've got to do what we're doing now. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, exactly. Simple. But it's hard to understand.

47:47 Yeah. And you have to let have these lessons to learn it and I think this is a great lesson to learn. Now you're known for playing guitar and that's what you your little touch on things now. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love Of my I love playing. I like my music.

48:05 I don't like hearing it recorded, but yeah, I like it, like, and people seem to really enjoy it and I want to continue to do more of it. So I've been a little apprehensive in terms of pursuing it commercially because of what happened with the whole acting thing.

48:22 But I want to yeah, but I don't want to like be a Like a rock star. Yeah, adding more but I like the music. It is what it is and belongs in this environment and I hopefully it continues to grow and if he doesn't Then hit, there's the whole thing of me being stubborn again, right? You know, there's certain consequences to being stubborn, right?

48:46 That it sounds like you've learned your lesson and trying a different path which is good and now you're creating your own music writing. Your own songs and have an album out available. I've two albums on Spotify, they're both available. The first album is called a journey to Center, and the second album is called Santa Cruz Indonesia. My wife's name is Leia, Santa Cruz, and Indonesia's. Where we move to.

49:09 So I like to say my home is with Santa Cruz in Indonesia. Yeah, check it out on Spotify. There's two albums from Paul more to come, I'm sure, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, that's that's to see. I mean, have musics be part of your life for so long and go in and out and now, coming full, circle and being something that you're actually passionate about and enjoy doing, not worried about the money.

49:39 Not worried about, you know, being a rock star if that happens, it happens. But I think that's something that we all strive to have in our lives. Yeah. And like that. Yeah, absolutely. Because incredible. Yeah, yeah. And so after your teacher training, you bombed, this this performance your first one and, but you got the yoga certification where you amped up to teach yoga and continue that path and just like this is This is my calling and this is what I want to do.

50:11 Yeah. I was, I was amped up. I loved it and I was teaching 1517 classes a week, which is normally. Yeah, yeah, California because my rent already 500 dollars a month. Doing the yoga full-time, yoga, full-time, and a half yoga teacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:25 A certain level of intensity that you just have to operate at in cities like that, right? It's so competitive. There's so many people, and if you want to make a name for yourself, you got to get that experience. And There's so many Avenues, and opportunities to share your yoga the world. Yeah.

50:45 And is that where you found yourself getting into Power Yoga? Is that what you started with or was you and just angga Hatha Vinyasa Vinyasa Power Yoga, always my thing and that's what I loved and that's what I taught ya and people seem to like it fairly quickly and I also got opportunities out of luck and I think as a Male yoga teacher, you can get opportunities. Yeah, faster than women because there's fewer male teachers, okay?

51:15 It is a, unfortunately, little bit unfair like that. Definitely got you would say that's one benefit of being a male yoga teacher. Yeah. You get some opportunities. People will give you a shot because I like I have think yoga teacher pretty blond beautiful woman. Usually that's what comes to mind. Yeah.

51:37 That's the stereotype. Yeah you're breaking that and yeah also play guitar and you got the full package. Yeah II don't I don't know. To me with the full package is is I think somebody who was a yoga teacher needs to be committed to a meditation, practice be committed to doing work on themselves, through therapy and working with healers and living a healthy lifestyle, and practice what you preach.

52:07 Yeah, it seemed mini yogurt, Teachers, who do that initially? And then they take on this 20 classes, a week, workload. And after doing it for a year, they're like, I don't even practice yoga myself, I don't do these things.

52:20 Yeah, I'm so you're able to stay aligned with that and make it a core part of your life making it a priority. Yeah, I think there has to be both. You have to learn work-life balance. Hmm. And then also I believe that the career itself is really challenging.

52:38 Challenging and it's designed to test you. Yep. And it it's not a career for everyone know the emotional highs and lows the financial uncertainty of being a yoga teacher. You have to get over that hump. And for some people, it's just not the right thing for them, right?

53:02 And and that, you know, usually after about 3 years, if you still love it, if you're not completely burnt out, you know, you can usually figure out a way to find more of a work-life balance, right? Right. I found most of the teachers that I know that are successful.

53:25 you know, they say like, you know, As teachers we want to have a work-life balance, but all the teachers that I know that that are successful their first three years, they just work the Wrath. Yeah, three to four years. All right, just they didn't take vacations, they didn't sub out their classes, they taught 15, 20 classes a week.

53:50 It's the same thing as starting a business. You know, you spend three or four years working incredibly hard in the next 10 years. You're living a really beautiful amazing. Henry 15 to 20 years. So there is that beginning phase or it's hard, right?

54:06 And I think you experienced that with acting to when you went through and you're working your ass off, you're going to classes and you're doing things, you don't necessarily want to do that. You find that same experience in yoga, where you find yourself teaching hidden classes that you didn't want to or it Studios. You didn't want to be a part of or we learn your lesson and we'll have to okay.

54:27 Be aligned. And with my purpose and what I want to do. Yeah. My my ego had been crushed from the acting experience. Yeah, I really tried to maintain a much more positive at, it's a right and was willing to basically do whatever it took to write my first couple of years, but it also didn't feel inauthentic which is really important, okay?

54:49 I was able to teach you in or teach anything and didn't feel enough antic, it felt in alignment, right? So there wasn't this internal resistance. Between the voice of the heart and the voice of the head. Right? You know, right?

55:03 Yeah. And now I love what you've created in your classes going to them, that it's not just a blanket yoga class. You have your own Flair to. It you've kind of added your own personality to classes, which I think is probably very exciting to create for you.

55:21 Yeah. I think you're in the sweet spot now. Yeah, exactly. You teach I think of taluk. 5000 classes now. So I'll you I teach five thousand classes and you get to a point where you just really comfortable. Yep. With the actual Asana and the timing and The rhythms of more and more and more of your personality or my personality or is able to come out and have you no sense of humor. And yeah.

55:48 And my personal take on things and making the class inspiring and adding music and playlists and having a theme and making each class different that just comes with time. Right. You know it's like you know as a musician like at first you learn to play other people's songs.

56:13 And you learn with basic songs and you learn with more complicated songs, and then you start writing your own songs, right? Right. And it's the same thing with teaching yoga, you copy, the people that you enjoy and the people that you love and then copy them more sophisticated lie.

56:30 If I don't know if that's a word or not with more sophistication and then you bring your own Flair. Yep. And then you bring your own flour, more, and more and more and then and then your own thing, right? But that doesn't happen overnight know. Definitely not.

56:43 Yeah, thousands of man-hours. And so you've been, you went to the phase of covering people's songs creating your own songs. Is there plans to create your own yoga album? Like per se what my two albums that are on Spotify?

56:59 But I'm not, not in music sense in aspirations Beyond just classes, you talked about, you had dreams about Retreats or trainings. Oh, you getting to that point where you are creating something bigger than just a class? Yeah, yeah. Mike Teacher trainings are my friend, Byron de Marseille and I we creative and teacher training all the elements of Power Yoga, amazing.

57:19 And it is, it's definitely our training. I have taken a lot of the things that I like from 15 different, 20, different teachers and encapsulated them with our own little Flair. Yeah. And my wife is a huge part of that because she's a meditation teacher, so she's been a big part of creating our manual and our program as well. But Byron.

57:43 And I kind of lead teachers and Leia adds the feminine touch and these were a bunch of Neanderthals without her. The women would women of our training? It would be pretty sick of us after about a week. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, our training.

57:59 I do feel like it's a it's It's my own thing. It's our own thing, but not not like There's still a tremendous amount of influence from all the amazing teachers that that Byron and I have been lucky enough to study with and Leia.

58:19 My wife, we yeah, we've been lucky enough to have really good teachers and if you have a really good teacher and your teachable, It's just a lot of this just staying out of your own way. Yeah, and just copying what they do until what they do, becomes what you do.

58:38 And then you can take what you do and filter it through your own uniqueness and then it's different, but it's the same thing. Yeah, I think having teachers mentors, someone to look up to and a guide you through this is, I mean, it's so necessary. Yeah, it's yeah.

58:57 So critical for this whole process to help you. Find out who you are. Yeah. And once you get over that hump you discover who you are and the more energy you can put onto that you can share it with the world. Yeah. And it seems like you're doing that with trainings around the world. I mean, we live here in Bali of training here but you've branched out and going to different places, is there plans to expand that and add some?

59:23 Yeah, well, if the world can get it's shit together and we can reopen The airport's. I have two trainings next year in Bali, and I have a retreat in Greece, Santorini and retreat in France, and hopefully those happen. Yeah, I want them to happen because it's my heart, and soul is right as bringing people together and amazing locations, all over the world and practicing being healthy physically and vulnerable emotionally.

59:57 And, and Learning techniques to be able to handle the moments in life when life punches you right, right, right. Yeah, that's exciting. You have all these things to look forward to and to build and you're building an empire which is building something building something building a community.

1:00:23 Yeah. And I don't have a communique call it that like Empire seems to capitalistic Yeah, more of a community, okay? You have a community bringing people together all around the world and especially with online trainings. It, you'll be able to really connect people who don't have access to come to Bali or Greece or be living in Bali and take classes with you every week.

1:00:47 So you have this much larger reach. Yeah. Two people. Which is pretty exciting. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And now you've been living in Bali for how many years almost for almost four years. Yeah, more than three and a half years, my wife and I moved here through February of 2017. So it's a almost almost four feet in February. It'll be four years, okay?

1:01:14 And been absolutely amazing, the scariest thing I've ever done was to pack up, everything and move to ball. I never even been here. Yeah, I'm okay. And The scariest thing I've ever done and also the most rewarding in the best. Yeah, that the two, I think the two most well, maybe three the the most significant moments of my life were Finding yoga. Mmm.

1:01:47 Finding my wife and moving to Bali, okay? Yeah, those are. Now you're living in unison of all three. Yeah but brought you to where you are today. Yeah and so you packed up all your bags and came to Bali to be a yoga teacher.

1:02:02 That's what you wanted to do. Never having been here. Nope. And there's a lot of Yogi's together and I knew that it was beautiful and I knew that it was much less expensive than Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah, he has a little bit So there is a perfect example of taking the leap of jumping into the unknown. Yeah, that's something that I think holds a lot of us back. We want, we have these great aspirations of what we want to create and what we want to do,

1:02:29 but the fear of not knowing how it will play out. Holds us back and taking that jump is, I mean, to way to do something is to start. And that's how you do it. You got to take that first step. Yeah. And how did you get through that fear or what?

1:02:45 Propelled you to just do it. Well, one of the unfortunate side effects of being a meditation teacher, is you have to actually do the shit that you tell other people to do. So I used to always quote Steven Spielberg, and he had this quote, they asked him when was the most important moment of your life and a lot of people thought he was going to say, like Jaws or ETA here, you know, one of his movies he said there's a moment before I did. Jaws, where I made the conscious

1:03:17 choice, that whenever I was afraid of something, instead of pulling away from it, I was going to go into the fear with curiosity, so go into the fear and ask questions. He's like that was the best decision I've ever made.

1:03:32 That was that was when my life changed and I started doing that because I would, I would tell that story and meditation class and I guide people through meditation and like, well in order for me to feel Authentic, I gotta practice this myself as right, right. So, um, I started doing it and I haven't been not. Obviously, probably not the same level of Courage as Steven Spielberg, but, uh, but I have my own level of courage and I'm stepping into my own fears

1:04:00 podcast. Yeah, online trainings. Moving to Indonesia, all that putting my album out, like all. Those are like step into that with curiosity. So that, you know, anybody who's thinking about making a massive shift, you're going to feel that feeling Here and instead of pulling away that it's not, it's not danger.

1:04:20 So, danger is right now. There's a snake in the room that's danger. That's real. Fear is my imagination is creating circumstances that I don't want, right? Or hasn't happened yet or some? Yeah, exactly, yeah, so you can unpack that you can breathe and you can go into it and ask questions, right?

1:04:39 And, and how we handle that fear is a, is a massive obstacle to overcome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what is currently right now? What is your biggest fear something that's going on? That you have that fear for that? You are taking head on right now, my biggest fear is that A yoga teacher is going to turn into somebody who teaches yoga through a machine.

1:05:12 Hmm. Okay. Only through a machine of all yoga teachers, are you specifically? I think it's going to my fear is that it will become normal. To only learn yoga through a machine. To like live recordings or live videos, going to go back to live classes, interesting.

1:05:40 People are going to be all the yoga studios are going to close because a lot of these things are happening. Yeah, it's already happening. Yeah, so that's, my biggest fear is is not being able to to feel the sense of community.

1:05:55 So yoga yoga for you, have that connection that physical Share space with someone and have that experience their churches. Yeah, it's a modern-day Church. And just like churches they're flawed and there's problems with them and and certain leaders take advantage of their positions of power.

1:06:21 But the benefit to society, and to community that places like yoga studios in church, that it's immeasurable. And the idea that that technology could make it so convenient that we could forget how important it is. To take the time to drive yourself to a yoga studio, or to go on a yoga retreat or to be in the presence of other human beings. We can't forget that.

1:06:55 Yeah, we cannot forget it. Yeah. And if that happens. I like teaching yoga online, but if it's only going to be online, then I'll have to re-evaluate my career, right? So that's my biggest fear right now, because I love what I do and I miss it, I miss, I miss the old fashioned way of doing it.

1:07:16 Definitely Jame. It's a society is all not just yoga, but everything is becoming digital lives. It's becoming on a machine that keeps coming up is Wally the movie. And everyone's just Just in their chair right next to each other but so focused on the machine and taking everything in that way.

1:07:37 And Society is going that way at such a fast pace with technology is just exponentially getting better and more sophisticated, which allows these things to happen. How are you combating? This fear, even though you see everything going that way about it?

1:07:52 What are you doing to prepare? Or you said investigating and going in with curiosity? How are you Approaching this situation. Just really trying to not. Trying to recognize that even though it's normal to spend several hours on your phone every day.

1:08:18 Doesn't mean that it's good for you. Yeah. So there's yeah, there's the krishnamurti quote. Yeah, it is. No measure of good health. To be well, adjusted to a profoundly sick society and Technology is making us sick. Absolutely, it's making us narcissistic, it's making us disconnected. It's shortening, our attention spans, we're cutting Corners, we're losing our ability to relate and be social and to be interactive it's it's messed up.

1:08:49 Dating a lot of ways like it's all like swiping and yeah, and And it's in a lot of ways. It's also removing our ability to find courage because like, as a human being, it takes courage to walk across a room and ask a woman out on a date, that takes courage. It's a different level of courage to tap and then send a text and, you know, that's different. Yeah.

1:09:15 So takes courage, but it's different, you know. So I feel like the convenience has that technology is providing, which are benefiting Society, massively. Absolutely are. They're also completely out of balance. Yep. And, you know, we were talking about this before the podcast started, like, people are spending so many hours connected to a machine that when they meditate and they have intuition, they now call it a download.

1:09:46 Yeah, because they're visualizing them self as being a machine. Because I spend so many hours looking at my phone. Now, when I meditate and I get an intuition, I call that a download. Yep, it's not a download. It's your intuition, right?

1:10:01 You're not a machine, right? It's changed our things, lab, you Larry, King. My I need to reprogram reprogram, reprogram our state. My operating system. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm experiencing overload. Yeah, yeah. Because I think people need to be careful and they need to pay attention that they're using this language. Because the language means, I'm I'm so, Used to computers and phones that I'm starting to behave like, right. Right.

1:10:39 We're turning into machines. Yeah, yeah, you know, you see movies and they science fiction movies. If you notice and I think human beings have this amazing creativity is, is its spiritual and it's amazing intuition. You see people on a spaceship There's never art, there's never music true. They're all these emotionally, disconnected. People that are super into science and the right brain is non-existent, right?

1:11:11 And that is human beings Vision. Like their their vision of the future for themselves, right? Is like people that are traveling through outer space, disconnected from their emotions and completely dependent upon machines, no music, no art, Art no intimacy. This completely left-brained organism, right? And You know, we have to be careful. Yeah, that's it.

1:11:42 You know, the this foreshadowing of what what the future is, you know, I'd like to see a movie where people are living on spaceships, but their artistic and their emotional and they are intimate and they're connected with each other and not just a bunch of like and there's nothing wrong with being a scientist, but it's when the left brain is out of balance.

1:12:08 With the right brain. It's a dangerously. Yeah, yeah. This is a topic that I feel strongly on. I feel like we could have a whole episode multiple talking about the impact of technology on our society. And how we're changing, especially, when coming from a yoga teacher where it's so much of it is in person. Yeah.

1:12:30 And I think that's something that's changing our lives. And we need to learn how to adapt but preserve the Grid physical environment, not just become so dependent on computers and I think experiencing yoga is a way to kind of Disconnect to get on the mat, disconnect become one with yourself, present with yourself, and kind of take that step back to Center, back to you in like, recognizing the value of two things, I think the sacred feminine qualities.

1:13:07 Yeah, of all human. Beings and the right brain qualities which are very similar, but if you remove art and music from school, you're going to get a bunch of math. There's nothing wrong with it. You're going to get people who the left side of their brain is very strong.

1:13:26 In the right side of their brain is very weak, right? And then that the left side of your brain is your intellect. Sadhguru says, you know the thing about the intellect it's like a knife. And a knife is a really important, amazing tool if you know how to use it.

1:13:40 But if you give a child a knife it's going to rip everything apart. And we're like a bunch of children with these really sharp knives. And we're using our knife to rip apart the world, right? So we're literally our intellect is causing human beings to literally rip the world apart and that's what's happening.

1:13:59 I mean, technology is advancing so fast. We're getting the sharpest knives that we've ever seen. Don't know how to use them. Yeah. And it's sounds great. Yeah we're becoming more intelligent and we're all producing and doing well.

1:14:14 And and but in reality it's really separating us and changing everything that we have known and What Makes Us human I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you see that and living in a country like Bali you see You know, you're around people that don't have an Instagram account.

1:14:35 You're right? Yeah, there's so much less self-conscious right? You know, so much less image-conscious and than I am right myself. Absolutely right. And there's a there's a Sense of relaxation. I think in that like the Simplicity of life and yeah, remembering what things are really important. Yeah.

1:15:05 Yeah. Yeah. Back to Basics back to being human. Yeah. Well, this is about the time that we have for today. Is there any last parting words that you can share with us some words of wisdom? No, thanks for tuning in and really excited to continue to offer these podcast. We're going to bring a bunch of amazing people. I'm here and I'm excited.

1:15:27 And we got some awesome guests coming. Yeah. Let's let's keep moving forward onward and upward and think your sword for your time. Thank you, Paul, thank you for tuning in. This is the Rat Race Rebellion podcast, where we explore the hero's journey, we explore what it is like to be human and be authentic selves. Sometimes we're going to be interviewing each other other times.

1:15:49 We're going to have some amazing guests. Join us, so tune in next time. Thank you for coming and many blessings. Thank you so much for tuning in. Into the Rat Race. Rebellion podcast. I am your co-host Paul 20 do when Creek, we created this podcast with the intention of really bringing awareness to the gifts that come when you travel the world and next year in 2021, I have a bunch of events coming up in February 20 21, we have a 200, our yoga teacher training in Bali, Indonesia.

1:16:19 And then, in June, I have to Retreats one in the south of France and one in Santorini Greece. If you're interested in any of these experiences, Has you can follow me at t0 do yoga guitar, on Instagram, send me a message or you can visit elements of Power Yoga.com for the teacher training. Have a beautiful day, namaste.