Rooted, Not Rattled: Finding Home Inside Yourself

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0:31 Thanks to the open mic. Podcast with the in. Movement. And. A lot of people that tend to communicate very. Well, always. And his name is. Baronian de Marseillon and Michael. Henrietta Yeah. Oh that'll that's one way to start the podcast. Yeah.

0:58 Well, you said did I want to start it? And you know, I said, I want it to start itself. So I think it just did kind of. So welcome to the podcast. Here we are, Michael Henry in the house and Byron de Marseille. So, you know, we can, we can go into different worlds a little bit with where we're going to go, but I think we're going to. Talk funny first.

1:17 What's that? You said world and you struggled to say it. You said world, and that's the word that I struggled saying. What did I just say? That's the word or the world. I was a kid. I couldn't say that word. World. To the point I'm having a little bit of like flashbacks.

1:35 Oh, now my jaw feels locked up because you. Said no, I couldn't say world, world. I love world. It's the one word I just couldn't say it world. And anyways, that reminded me about. Well, hopefully we still have our listeners listening after the first 3 minutes of that.

1:53 OK, Yeah, I guess we're going to talk about home. Home, home. So what is home? What actually makes a person feel safe? And how do we know when that sense of safety is a real thing rather than just a familiar thing? Well, why are we talking about home?

2:14 Well, home is really where the foundations are. That's where the heart is. Very true. Home is where the foundations are when it comes to we're going to talk about energy and the foundations of we can call them boot chakra, senses of safety, familiarity, basic needs, these types of things you can't basically brainstorming a lot of words that could relate to survival, groundedness, centeredness, and we basically came back to, well, what does it all mean? It's like a sense of feeling.

2:46 Home. So that's kind of what we're going to talk. About. Yeah, yeah. We got a list of questions. I think the questions are helpful to generate some of the conversation piece. I mean, fire and I can just riff, but it's also nice to have something to go off of.

2:59 So first question we have is what actually makes a person feel safe? And how do we know when that sense of safety is a real thing rather than just a familiar thing? So the first part of that was how do we know when we're safe? Yeah.

3:14 How does a person How do we actually What actually makes a person feel safe? When we feel safe, there is a sense of belonging in that specific environment. It's kind of broad to talk about it in that way, but if you're talking about just feeling like at home, and I'm thinking this is more of a metaphorical home, it's not like necessarily my house home. It's like home can be anywhere that you feel like you belong and be long.

3:47 What an interesting word that is like to look up the etymology on that. But it does have longing in there. So it's something that probably has to do with the deep heartfelt desires that we long for, meaning we we need them. Our needs are basically very much connected to be longing. I mean, the word home is something that comes up in a lot of trainings actually, when not always, but it's when we ask people like what does yoga mean to you? There is often at least one

4:25 person that says it makes me feel like I'm coming back home. Not in the literal sense, but in the sense of themselves back to their to their home within themselves. Feeling part of something whole, wholeness, like a WHOLE, like feeling whole, I think is part of being home.

4:46 What do you got? So belonging comes from the verb belong plus ING ending. Belong is recorded in Middle English and is traced to an earlier from built earlier form built from B plus longing with senses like to go along with, pertain to or be properly related to external meaning, being part of a group, place or home, internal meaning feeling rightly placed within yourself in life.

5:15 There you go. Feeling rightly placed. Rightly placed in your life. Yeah, that makes sense. Like to long for something is to feel rightly placed. It's like that, really. I called it a heartfelt desire. But a heartfelt desire, you could say it's to really your longing for it. To feel part of something, to feel it like you're in your right place.

5:35 And feeling in your right place is very much feeling at home. So acceptance and belonging and feeling rooted and grounded and present. Feeling safe is essentially feeling present. If you're able to get to a balanced place of safety, balanced meaning you're not like disillusioned or attached too much to feeling safe.

6:00 Because you know, some of us can probably venture a little too far out of just just a little bit out of the comfort zone. And it's like, oh, that's way too unsafe. Whereas other people can go way further out of their comfort zone and still feel safe. And I think that's something that is worth a mention as well when it when you're talking about home. So yeah, I think attachments come comes in a lot when I think about that.

6:27 Subject yeah, the thing that came up from you is just like your basic needs to some degree, but I I honestly want to go into like the nervous system basic needs of just feeling. You said safe but like just like balanced within yourself which can come from just the breath. Yeah, how you do it right.

6:45 Connecting to the senses of, you know, just feeling the things that are real in the world in front of you and as opposed to a lot of the perceived dangers that come through our brain and our mind, especially nowadays because we don't live in the jungle where we're fighting off real dangers.

7:01 Often times it's a lot of perceived dangers. So we get taken away from our home because of our own mind, ultimately in that sense of imbalance within our nervous system. So when we can feel more balanced, more grounded in ourselves, we are probably more able to come back to our place of home, which is probably why yoga for a lot of people can help them feel like they're coming back home because it helps them to regulate that part of themselves. Yeah.

7:28 And then the possibilities of after you feel regulated and let's say calm to some level, then you might be able to, yeah, more possibilities, feel desire, experience, emotions, pleasure, you know, have, you know, you can start to develop healthier relationships with everything. Do you have some more questions there? I think?

7:53 Thinking about the home element and if we're relating it to the root chakra stability and we talk about fear as being one of the main, let's say, undesired emotions that can disrupt that part of our sense of security. Fear based control is ultimately when you're, let's say your system is overactive and you're trying to control everything so that you can feel safe, which means you're kind of have your hands and everything around you and you're, you know, having a difficult time letting go of

8:24 that. I feel like that right now. You do? Yeah. OK, say more. Well, it's like I'm trying to decide, like, is this podcast going in a direction that our viewers would like? And I'm, I'm, I'm thinking, what are the questions? And yeah, I'm just having a, a moment of like trying to let go of the expectations of it.

8:48 I'm like breathing. I'm thinking I'm oscillating between the two. I'm like, you know, just relax. It's like a real lived experience. Yeah. Questioning like starting it over, wondering if we should have a safe word or some like signal with each other. I appreciate that.

9:09 It's very authentic and it's very real. I mean, we didn't actually like have a huge plan when we started recording. And I think that's kind of maybe happened naturally for a reason because of the topic being about groundedness, but maybe also the ungroundedness, doing things that make you feel unsafe or unbalanced or maybe like you don't have control because we didn't have a preparation necessarily and how that can throw you off.

9:32 So I'm sure that's something that a lot of people can relate to it. Makes me think of like how yoga facilitation, teaching classes, teaching classes is often been that kind of experiences as well for me where you just show up, you do your best and you can only plan so much and you can over plan. You can be too attached to the sequence and yeah, things might not go accordingly.

9:56 Sometimes they flow really well, sometimes they don't. Sometimes you forget the sequence and it's still wonderful. Sometimes you remember the whole thing and it's terrible. It's hard to really control the expectations of it. So yeah, it makes me think about kind of that structure and like how, you know, if we did hit record again on this and started over, I'd be like, OK, let's go back to that question when I asked you why are we bringing this up? And to me, that structure is

10:24 really important for absorption and learning. Like OK, ask me, why are we doing this? Why are we doing this? It's a. Good question, Michael. Why are we doing this podcast? I'm so glad you asked. Me. Why are we talking about home? Why are we stability, right, Because it's kind of this elusive like why did they just hit record and start start talking about home?

10:42 It seems like there's some kind of. Like a motive. Pre yeah, there's a motive, A predetermined like, you know, there's a there's some kind of like thing behind this this that they're not talking about. And it's because we are creating a template in which the end movement our new business can operate from.

11:02 And we want to make a difference and help people make a difference in their lives so that they can know themselves better through topics. And the first topic that we chose that we thought could be so helpful because you are literally building from the ground up is home.

11:23 And obviously we did look at like chakra oriented things like root chakra, but we wanted to put this in a digestible way so that people could really understand it for their own lives. And then later down the road we'll start to move into, you know, the other tangible qualities of life that can pertain and be relatable as well. In order to look at root chakra, we also need to look at fear. You mentioned it, fear and what we're afraid of scarcity, abundance.

11:54 When it comes to being grounded, feeling safe, feeling supported, having what you need, food, water, shelter. What else do you need? People need more than that. Emotional needs. Emotional needs can vary. Some person might need 2 hugs a day where others need 20.

12:13 They say that that your root shock or development is happening from the womb till one year old. If that's true, then there's a lot of ground to make up for there for certain people. So I often times think about that when we have different needs.

12:31 Why do we have different needs? Well, we had different support when we were growing up. So to feel home, yeah. Like, what is that balance for you? What's that balance for everyone so that they can be in their most optimal, you know, mindset and feel in their bodies?

12:47 Because to me, that's where the rubber meets the road is like when you feel home, you really truly feel like you can be yourself. Authenticity does not really exist unless you can be in your own skin, in your own body, in your own home. And to me, that's really what this is about. And since we talked about yoga a lot, I mean, anybody can relate to this, whether you do yoga, anybody who has a body and ears and senses, who can perceive and listen to this podcast can relate to that.

13:17 To be in your body, to feel safe in your body is essentially what being home is. Now, I think we all could stretch ourselves. Nobody's perfect, but perfect by design, and that we can become more, you know, we can expand our horizons, our ability to feel safe in quote UN quote unsafe places. You know, I'm not saying go put yourself in dangerous way. We don't all have to jump out of airplanes or walk down dark alleys with, you know, no, you know, supervision. But to walk out some people just

13:54 to leave your house might be a big deal and just a risk in its own. So yeah, it's like navigating that for yourself. And I think there's probably some good viewer based questions in there like what what scares? What scares you about What scares you about moving to Bali?

14:16 A lot of things probably which would start with just the unknown of this is a completely different place. And those fears, I don't know if they've lessened over time or they grew because the more that I knew and understood is that this place is very different from where I came from.

14:31 The home is a different. Home, and if you explore it deeply enough, you're probably going to find out. Fill in the blank I'm I was scared to move to Bali because I I was afraid there wouldn't be enough something. I wouldn't have enough money to survive and to be able to stay right, for example. Or enough someone else might say opportunities to work. Yeah, to find that sense of comfort that I need for feeling home.

15:02 Yeah, enough people to have a friendship with or a community build a community with. Right, have a sense of purpose and belonging potentially. Right, someone else it might be like I don't have access to the same medical care that I had back home that I feel like I depend on, you know, but that that word enough is pretty big there, right There's there.

15:30 There's an enoughness of material substance of some sort. It's emotional enoughness. It's it's basic needs enoughness, resources enough. Do you have enough resources to really do you have enough oxygen to survive? Right. Yeah.

15:47 I'm sure there's like a pandemic of some sorts of different chakras over the timeline of centuries that that feel threatened. You know, whether it's malaria, some, you know, flu, bird flu, whatever these different things have happened in history come and you start to have a, you know, from the top down, everybody is fear based for fear of their lives. And this stuff also is generational and it pumps through the next generation and the next generation, the next generation.

16:16 And we, we wake up and we, I believe we feel this right. If we feel it from zero to 12 months to one year, our parents felt it and they're residually passing it to us. A lot of times we feel like it's our problem. You know, it's like us and only us.

16:32 And then we just point to our parents. And like, that's as far as a lot of people get. Some people don't even get to their parents. They're just think it's their fault and they, you know, just take it out on themselves. I mean, what a relief, you know?

16:45 I mean, yeah, we're all fucked up. You know, it's kind of that. What a relief. We're all fucked up. We're all different in that navigation system. We're all exploring our, the, the holes of our Swiss cheese, right? We're not a whole block of cheese and we're just got a lot of holes. And the holes might be different from each person. And those holes, like you said, might be ancestral or passed on from, you know, parents and things like that. And they can also be just

17:12 developed from our early years, whether they're some of those basic needs weren't there or just conditions and patterns that we kind of developed for the purpose that we needed to grow up quicker than we needed to actually grow up.

17:25 You know, like being a lot of people get put in situations, unfortunately, when they're young because of something in the family dynamics where they need to grow up quicker as a 10 year old, 11 year old, 12 year old, for whatever reason, which I know is very relatable to a lot of people because we've heard stories about it. And that really fucks up your sense of safety and foundation when often at those early years you're still, you know, building some of that to some degree.

17:51 So how do we become a whole block of cheese? Well, I'll probably start with breathing grounding, which I think is the most important thing. I mean, it's great to kind of go through like a list of like to do's, but sometimes that not might not necessarily be the most helpful, but often times it's just like really connecting with yourself 1st and trying to center yourself.

18:14 You know, one of the words that we had written down when it came to this topic was just nervous system. And the nervous system is very much internal. We're talking about home and all these other like related things to community and parents and elements that might ruffle those feathers. But ultimately it starts within ourselves. And even though a lot of those things might be true from the external world, we can still ground ourselves. And by doing that, we help our

18:41 nervous system balance, which is basically one of the same. And then from there we can take actions. We can go through the list of what might help me fill in those Swiss cheese pieces. But I think the basic practice of whatever that might be to help ground could be the yoga for a lot of people, meditation, the breath, the practice of moving the body, running, jogging, whatever it is, right?

19:05 You can call it yoga or you can call it something else, but I think finding a centred balance place, which might often times be removing ourselves from certain environments that don't make us feel as safe physically. And then, yeah, starting from there, it's basically that foundation because from there you can, it's a, it's a never ending journey.

19:25 Or you might think you filled in all the holes, but there's always some Swiss cheese holes available. Yeah. I mean, you know, to me it's like the the grounding part you mentioned is the real, the real focus point. It's like we could go back in time or start now and implement grounding into schools.

19:42 And I'm sure some schools talk about it in some way. I mean, I know there's grounding devices, earthing devices, like what is grounding? You know, you just went on this whole thing. You you talked about grounding and breathing, but like, is that enough for people to really apply that into their lives? Some people, yes, and some people definitely not. Like what is it just seems like you just kind of glaze over it often.

20:04 And like to really truly embody grounding, it has a lot to do with like, I'm touching this table right now. You know, it's like the physical world is your playground to ground, right? But it's, it's not just about playing. Playing would be more the element of like, what does it feel like?

20:27 It's just the fact that it's here, you are here, the earth is here, presence is here all the time. And you can use your senses. If you're lucky, you have 5. If you're unlucky, you have 6. Just kidding. But you have, you know, this, this tangible senses and maybe less tangible senses than more of like feelers and like into it and things. You can smell stuff, you can taste it. You feel moisture and like, these are the things you can touch the ground.

20:54 You can put your feet in the mud. I mean, we kind of do these things. At least I did them a lot as a kid, but nobody talked about it as a way to regulate your nervous system. It was just like, go outside and like, let's dig in the dirt and stuff. And it might have had a positive effect on us. I know my mom was a big gardener and she probably had no understanding of really what she was doing, but she knew she loved it so.

21:20 It's like connecting with nature and connecting with other living things, which, you know, maybe dysregulated humans is what you're dealing with. So it's like you go to nature. Nature's not really dysregulated. Nature's always grounded. It's always there for you to help you find your center. So.

21:36 I was talking to someone the other day who she's like not she's a city person. And her doctor actually told her because she was experiencing some panic attacks. And then she said the doctor said, go on a hike and she went on a hike and it was like one of those hikes that's like tiring.

21:52 And she slept. She said the best night of her life after that, which I was like, oh, that's so interesting how this person is like they needed to connect those dots. They were so far away from the, they needed, you know, from the truth of nature that they needed somebody to, like, wake them up to it. And I think that's kind of how we can, we can all get in that way, you know, in that mode sometimes where we forget, forget.

22:22 Oh, yeah. Just breathe. No matter what your environment is, you can always do that. And then if you have a beautiful, you know, like areas to explore in, go do it. If you live in a city, there's other ways. I mean, you can still catch a sunset or you can catch a sunrise, or you can feel the heat on your skin. Even if you can't see the sun, you still feel the heat on your skin and you can really just be present. And I think that is an art that keeps wilting further and further away.

22:54 The more advanced we become with technology and the more convenient and modern things become, the more that one button press used to do what a sequence of 20 actions does. Now you can just push a button. Those 20 actions are all completed immediately. And then the next phase is you don't even have to touch the button.

23:16 You just talk to the button. And then after the talking of the button, you think of the button and now it's done. So I do think that the root chakra regulation, the grounding, the home feeling is maybe which could be the most important 1 is probably the one we're getting the furthest away from. And then if you're far away from that one, then you, you know, you're going to there's going to be some sharp curves to turn back, to be able to, to balance

23:46 out a lot of these other amazing experiences that we can have, like feeling joy and peace and, you know, pleasure and love. Love. Yeah. I mean, I think love was something I was thinking about when you were talking earlier. I was like, I want to talk about love. But I kind of went off from this whole thing because love might just be the answer.

24:06 Just feel the see the love and everything. Feel the love and everything. Breathe the love in. Breathe the love out. And then there's one more word that is equally important, Trust. Trust. There is an element of trust. And the truth is, is that we don't, we're not, we don't need to trust everything, but better. We need to trust that Earth is our home. You know, Earth is providing for us and that we have a relationship with Earth and nature, one that is not just taking away from it, but to give

24:45 to it. I think that simple fundamental exchange builds trust, you know, and that trust is probably already there. And we might get a little far away from it, but just to remind ourselves on a daily basis. And the more you look at the trees and the flowers and the more you feel the heat against your skin and the more you breathe in the fresh air or even, you know, air that's not so fresh sometimes, but you still breathe and you're still like, I'm breathing. You become present.

25:11 And then through that presence, maybe you'll maybe you'll get a little more trust, a little more love. What do you? Think, wow, I'm digesting a lot. Yeah. And the last most recent thing that kind of stuck with me was trust.

25:30 It had something to do with trust and starting with things that you can for sure trust. Like I trust the ground underneath me is supporting me and it's going to stay there. You know, I trust that every breath there'll be oxygen there for me, hopefully, at least in the most cases, I would say.

25:53 But just starting with, you know, you said, you mentioned like those basic senses is actually how we start to build not just the trust, but just the stability of the safety within ourselves and within, you know, what's around us.

26:06 So tapping into those senses, like smells connecting to nature. Like I just, yeah, everything that you were saying, I was like, I'm just imagining myself as a kid going out into nature and not even have to think about it because I'm just being a kid. But as adults now, it's almost like we have to retrain ourselves to be like, it's normal to go sit in the grass and just like feel it with my hand, rub my hand through the, the, the blades of grass or to

26:30 like smell a flower as opposed to being, feeling like I'm being judged 'cause I'm doing that. Or maybe I'm like, this is a waste of time or, you know, whatever it is. So it's interesting to kind of like retrain this system to go back to something that to go back to exactly what is already true, which is that we are connected to this whole system.

26:53 You know, you know. We can trust that. This added element to it is, is like, I think about this sometimes and I see people and probably because I see it in myself sometimes, but I've seen it strongly in some people where they they they don't connect with a very obvious grounding element. And what do you think I'm going to say? People, people like, because we mistrust people so much, right? Unbalanced people.

27:24 Yeah. We, we don't trust people so much. I mean, sure, you trust some people. Some people you don't trust. Some people don't trust anybody. Zero. And for good reasons. Maybe because they've been, their trust has been broken. And you have to build trust.

27:38 And you know, some people trust 1st until you break it. Other people, you have to build their trust. Some people say they trust people, but they don't. Some people say they don't trust you, but they do. It's, it's a big mind fuck. But what I do find is that a very grounding thing is just to look at somebody in the eyes or just, you know, because this is the elements, right?

28:02 We are the elements. The tree is much easier because you don't feel judged by the tree, right? But for some people, the tree might not be enough. It might be a good starting point, but it's not enough. At some point you're just like, there's not a witness.

28:14 You don't really believe that that tree is watching you. You don't believe it. You're just like, yeah, it's breathing. It's beautiful. I can feel it and touch it, but it's not really truly alive to me. My senses don't believe that's true. But a human being, you, you, your, your mind won't play that trick.

28:31 Your mind is immediately present to the fact you're being watched and you're being potentially judged. You may or may not be being judged, but you may feel a certain way about it. So I do think that that is in some ways it might be more advanced, but I do believe some people are actually wired to connect with people and not nature. So they find that in people and not nature. Maybe that's all they know, especially if they grew up in a city.

28:56 It's like you're not even around nature to even know how to connect to nature, which is why people say they're going to the countryside, they're going to the cottage and all this stuff. It's because why is those things so popular?

29:05 We're going on vacation because you're getting away from that, usually that unconnected or disconnected area to hopefully reconnect with yourself and nature. People like to go on hikes and they like to go on boats and you know, all these types of things. And whether they didn't know it or not, there's a certain like at least a little bit of a foot forward into connecting with nature to some degree.

29:26 Yeah. And the kind of connecting I'm talking with people isn't necessarily the kind of we're doing. I mean, yeah, we're kind of looking at each other sometimes and sometimes looking at the camera. And I'm talking as I'm talking can be, you know, a way of connecting or taking you further away from connection. So the kind of witnessing that I'm speaking about right now isn't, it's not going to say about the words that can be completely silent.

29:52 It's probably a stronger way to do it. And then you just get to witness and be witnessed. And if you're willing to sit with that a few seconds, maybe 30 seconds, maybe a minute, maybe a few minutes, yeah, you'll find that it's very grounding.

30:10 I don't know if any of our listeners have ever done an eye gazing type of ritual or game. I know we've tried a few. I've tried at least a few of those. And yeah, it can be an emotional experience and it can be very grounding at the same time. Yeah, if you get through that first phase of this is kind of weird, this is silly.

30:29 But eventually it does become powerful. Yeah, absolutely. Very connective. Yeah, So instead of running away out to nature, sometimes you just find the the nearest human and just just look at him. Just look at him. Wow. It's another human being in the flesh that also won that race to the to the egg and fertilized it and somehow hatched out and became this person with eyes and a nose and has all these senses and can experience life. What the heck?

30:58 How did that happen? You know, it's like, that's what a miracle, you know, and that'll bring you into a really present state, right? So I think we can maybe try to bring this home a little bit more, pun intended. Yeah. So when it comes to what's the whole, like, what are we even doing here talking about this?

31:15 You distilled out that we're kind of helping to create more discussion around themes and just like helping people just even ask themselves these questions of how do you relate with the word home and within yourself? And how do you find groundedness in yourself and what's important to you connecting with people in nature?

31:32 How do you do it and all these types of things? What would come up for you on like, what's the most important element? Like, what are we trying to really distill? Asking yourself questions, yeah, I think when you ask yourself the question, where and when do I feel at home, right. Where and when do I feel at home? And then you got to ask the opposite of that. Where and when do I not feel at home? And then there needs to be some sort of question in there that builds curiosity about change.

32:02 So where am I willing or just am I willing to explore a different a new way of receiving support or something like that? Where am I unwilling to to see the support to receive the support? Basically, where am I unwilling?

32:24 Where am I willing? I think that would be pretty important to explore that as well. And what am I scared of? You know what, what scares me and is it true? Is it true? The last thing I would look at without going into million questions is scarcity and abundance.

32:43 What is there a lack of in my life and what is there enough of? And then write those out. I think, 'cause there's a lot of things that you'll find that you have a lot of. There's a lot you've, you know, most people have access to water.

33:01 If you're listening to this, you have access to podcasts. That's pretty cool. I'm assuming you prioritized food before that. So, you know, just list them out. I have this in my life. I have this, I have enough of this. I have enough of this. And what do I not have enough of? And don't, you know, don't ignore that because you may not have, let's say, the community that you need, you know, maybe that's not something you really look for. Maybe you don't have the

33:25 relationship or the partner that you need. That's OK. List that out. You can go deeper into that as well. Like what am I really seeking from that relationship? OK, What it what is it I'm really seeking from that relationship? I need to share my life with somebody. I need to feel a sense of belonging. There's still deeper things even if there's a partner involved. Yeah, I just think listing out those things of what's scarcity, what's abundance, and we'll get

33:54 to that. That home will will define and redefine and refine our relationship with home. What about? The element of stillness or silence in this whole conversation because I'm thinking sitting with some of these questions or even just taking the time to listen to this podcast, you know, obviously, you know, are you listening to everything that we're saying or, you know, busy doing something else?

34:19 Maybe you are, maybe you're not. I'm not sure how present you are with every word we're saying. Maybe not everywhere is the most valuable, but I'm also thinking about slowing down and how slowing down creates more clarity for us to be able to even answer some of these questions.

34:34 And then what is the relationship with slowing down, with being able to sit with ourselves and actually have the opportunity to connect maybe with somebody, maybe with nature? So that was just something that came through is like maybe that's even something before some of these questions like what's how is it for you to just even just slow down and just to be with yourself for a moment And then maybe asking those questions might be helpful as well. But just, you know, you could

34:59 even take it to that step is like, am I OK with just being still? What's my relationship with that? Do I feel safe and secure within myself to just be? Some people just have a hard time being still or slowing down to even like ask themselves those. Questions because they need something. Exactly.

35:17 They need something to be able to slow down. Some people need a witness or they need somebody to to watch. Accountability. They need accountability. Some people may need to surrender some sort of idea or egoic attachment to the need at all.

35:40 They may not recognize the need. They don't need anything. They're fine. I'm fine. I don't need to slow down. I'm good. But there might be, you know, there's that. There needs to be an element of willingness to even to get anywhere with it. With this conversation, I think slowing down can help it. So can speeding up and to slow down, because to slow down means there has to be a certain amount of awareness slow down. Like that's, that's an elusive

36:09 part of this whole equation of being present. So sometimes if you actually speed up, and I mean, and that's what a lot of Koreas are designed to do, they speed you up. Yeah. You're moving in this way and whatever you're doing.

36:22 And you're, you speed a lot of stuff up. You, you move things so fast your mind doesn't even have an opportunity to think. Because sometimes if you slow down too much, you can get very a little too planned out with what you might say and it can become actually a very mental experience. So I do think there's something to be said for some people needing to speed up and then get still to, to slow down, speed up, to slow down.

36:50 I'm not saying just stay at full speed, but try it, you know? Like whatever your normal. Speed is. That's a condition you've conditioned yourself to be at this normal. Normal is just a conditioned word in general. Natural is much different.

37:04 The trees are natural. Humans might come from nature, but we are conditioned. So break your conditioning with very simple techniques. Talk faster, do exercises that make you think faster. Breathe faster if you need to, if you know how to safely do that or slower.

37:24 And then we're. Slower or do both. Start fast. Exactly. It's so. Hard for people to do. It slower shifting, Yeah, it's really. Hard. It's much easier to. Start faster and then go slower. I mean it makes me think about just like nervous system. Regulation, even sometimes just sitting in meditation and stillness and I'm like, oh, I'm so anxious, I need to calm down. And they start to meditate and it's not working. It's like, fuck, you know, you need to like, move the energy first, right?

37:46 You know, Kapalabhati, breath of fire, whatever it is, go for a run, do some sort of movements, jump around like a crazy person, dance, then, you know, sit down and ground yourself. Because then now, like you said, you know that energy will be all over the place in such a way that you won't even really be overthinking what you're doing. It'll just becoming more natural. Also directing your.

38:08 Awareness consciously can help. So if you're like directing your awareness down to the ground, for example, thinking about the ground, what does the earth look like? I'm sending this breath to the ground. I'm sending my hand, I'm sending my prayers, I'm sending my gratitude. I'm I'm putting this, even if it's negativity or some emotion that you're trying to feel and experience and let go of, you put it directed into a certain place And the ground was made out of what dirt, great soil.

38:41 It's like dinosaur fossils and poop rocks and rocks that. Have been. Around forever, and they're just full of information, full of absorption possibilities, right? What happens when it rains? The rain absorbs in there, right? Otherwise we'd experience flooding at all times. So it's actually designed by nature to give things to the earth, to give give it to the ground. I have a random little story too. Not really close.

39:10 Off the podcast, but I. Kind of want to share it. Yeah. So this morning a bird flew in tour one of our windows knocked itself out. I heard it. I was in this room actually. And I heard boom. And I was like, oh, shit, what happened? So I was finishing up what I was doing. And then I walked out there.

39:23 And then Christina was sitting in meditation with the door open and the bird was just sitting on the ground. And they were just like staring at each other basically. And I kind of walked out and I was like, what is going on right now? And then she's like, oh, she thought. I just saw the bird that was sitting there and kind of looked a little bit like injured.

39:40 So I just sat with it and just watched it. And then it watched me. And then it was still happening as she was telling me this, and I was just like, oh, Jesus, this is kind of cool. It's like a very real connected moment. You know, you talked about connecting with humans and eyes and stuff like that.

39:54 But then I started to look at the pigeon and the pigeon kind of was looking up at me and just, you know, doing this little head bobs and stuff like that and wasn't flying away and, you know, pretty close within a couple of feet.

40:03 I just thought it was a very interesting grounding moment that I experienced this morning, so. Full circle for the podcast. One of my top three yoga poses too. Pigeon. Yeah, Yeah. Until next time. Until next time. All right, We'll see you next week. See you next week.