Sekala and Niskala: The Balinese Philosophy of Seen and Unseen

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0:33 I'm your host, or one of your hosts, Michael Henry, and also the other host here. Byron de Marseille. Byron in the house. So today we've discussed quite a bit about what we're going to talk about, and we're probably not going to necessarily jump into it specifically yet.

0:50 Instead, I'm going to start off by asking you, Byron, a question. You can ask me a question, many questions, if you want. Can I ask you a question? Of course. How do I turn this up so I can hear it a little bit louder? There's a little green button down over there, can you just turn that to the right?

1:06 Oh, wow. Oh, goodness. Wow. Yeah, I, I, I love hearing myself speak so. Great. Well, I'm about to ask you a question so you'll hear more of it. OK, OK, I'm kidding if this is your first time. I mean, I I do and I don't. It's the scene and the unseen of, you know, hearing and not hearing that's leading into the topic of the day.

1:30 Yep. So as we move towards that direction, my question for you, Byron, is what's invisible in your life right now that's quietly running everything. Is that a Riddle? Nope, no. What is invisible in my life that is currently running?

1:48 Quietly. Running everything. Quietly running everything invisible. Well, I would have to say the first thing that comes to mind, ironically, is thought. Also feeling. And yeah, I think those are the main things. Thoughts, feelings, dreams, potential ideas.

2:17 What's your thoughts? So yeah, let's just lean into that a little bit more because I think, I think if I go deeper, it might just be the same thing in a different way. So based off of those things, we're stick with thoughts or you know, the other things as you're moving through your life, your day-to-day and decisions and experiences and things like that. How are those thoughts influencing your actions decisions?

2:41 On the ethereal plane. So the ethereal plane, meaning where space, the ever pervading space, which is nothingness, is merging into movement, it's becoming something, but before it is something, there's a transition into becoming something. And that element is what we call ether. So thoughts exist on that plane, much like in yoga, how we talk about prana exists on that plane as well. Prana values.

3:17 Some people may have studied yoga that listened to this podcast, I'm sure. If not, that means the winds of energy. So you have different subtle energy moving different directions all the time throughout your body specifically is that that's what that refers to is like within your your Physiology and it's affecting your systems and your thought processes and your ability to let go. It's your actual the cycles of, you know, like actually like defecating and urinating and all

3:52 the things that are super fun to to bring up on the 1st 5 minutes of a podcast. But back to the subject, the lecture at hand, manifestation is on that realm as well. And manifestation comes from the thought and the feeling space of basically putting yourself in the position as as if, as if it's already taking place that that's just to keep it on like one O 1 manifestation could probably go deeper.

4:27 Yeah. So that's my answer. Here's a follow up question that might help. How much energy do you spend on how you look versus how you actually feel inside? Look versus feel, it's not like I'm keeping track or I don't have a, an Apple Watch or some device that's keeping track of that.

4:46 But I'm personally way more involved with the process of how I feel. And but that's, that's been a, a, a long 10 year lifelong dedication to, to that, to that profession of, of yoga, which is often times associated with your inner state of being, not being tossed around by your external environment and just kind of flailing in the wind, as you might say, having some sort of control over your inner state.

5:19 So to me, I'm, I'm always considering that. I'm not saying that peace and tranquility are always my default vibration. I like to live on the edge. I, I think stress is something we get used to as well. And especially, like, with the lifestyles and social like, yeah, just whatever you have going on in your life, your lifestyle may require you to be really stressed because you're opening a business. That's what I'm doing.

5:46 You have responsibilities all over the place, and you kind of get excited by stress. I may not necessarily try to master just, you know, if I wanted to just feel peace and tranquility all the time, I'd probably just become a monk and reduce all the temptation around.

6:08 Something about me chooses to live here. I love it. And I want that, you know, it's like a little bit of a roller coaster, but not too far, right? Because then it gets to be overwhelming. And then you got to do whatever you got to do to get back into that state of closer to what we call balance, which means you might have to isolate yourself or, you know, take a vacation.

6:30 Are those things. How's that? Yeah. Do you want to ask me a question or do you want me to keep going? OK. Knowing where we're kind of going and you know, obviously I asked you 2 questions already and. Yeah, well, whether the listener you have questions in front of you. Yeah, mine are going to come just from my my brain. I guess they're going to come from the. Ether I mean I can ask myself one of the questions. Yeah, maybe do that.

6:56 Maybe we can both answer and maybe that's the better way to go. OK, but I'll answer first. But the next question that I was thinking was when did you ignore your gut and what did it cost you? So when did I ignore my gut and when did it cost me?

7:13 And I can say lots of times I've ignored my gut actually. And that's probably one of my practices that I've been focusing on more over the last several years is to trust my gut, trust my intuition, trust that deeper knowing as opposed to letting other things influence it, which is hard, hard sometimes. And there's been times where I've like had a gut feeling and it was like, it just wasn't loud enough. But I like it wasn't subtle enough that I had noticed it, but there was just so much noise

7:47 around it that I went against it somewhat unconsciously. And then whenever it the thing revealed itself and its truth, that's one of those moments where you're just like, fuck, I knew. I knew that I I should have trusted myself because I thought it in the moment, but I just it was a fleeting feeling that I didn't allow to fully be felt.

8:09 It was like that unseen kind of element that we're we're speaking to a little bit. And I definitely try to tune into that sense a lot more where it's like, am I grounded enough to actually like give enough time and also recognize like, what is my true reaction to this?

8:27 Like what is my true nature to this? Like my gut feeling? Or if we're going into like human design, like what is my sacral definition of this? Like, is it a yes or a kind of situation if you're familiar with that? So for me, if I'm not listening to that, I kind of default to a little bit more of the external.

8:47 And often times it doesn't work out well. To answer the question, usually I'm, I'm either disappointed or I'm kind of like, shit, you know, I, I should have known better. I should have listened to myself, you know, without being too self deprecating.

8:58 I kind of have that reflective moment of like, why didn't I listen to myself? So I know I don't have a specific example, but it's happened enough times, you know, probably like once a month, I'd say at a minimum, which is probably not even that often if you put it into context, but often enough that I think about it to the point whenever these moments come up, I hope that I'm grounded enough to be able to be like, I need to listen to that deeper truth, even if it doesn't

9:27 feel logically in the moment or linearly making sense, but to trust that feeling. And I think you do a pretty good job of that. You kind of trust your intuition pretty well, yeah. Just thought I'd mention that. But anyway, you can answer in your own way if you have something. To say that, I mean, I also couldn't go with a specific example.

9:42 I was sitting here like hybrid listening and a hybrid like scanning my experiences being like, when did that backfire or regret it or something like that. But what comes to mind is when informing other people is something that I'm really big on is as a manifesto back to human design. And I'm a splenic authority, which means I'm not supposed to think too much.

10:09 It's beyond intuition. If if this is something that's real, then I'm not even supposed to like give my intuition a moment to do anything. I'm just supposed to do it. And that's the quickest decision maker out there. I relate to that a lot. But when it comes to sometimes what I do is I, I like, I get in my head and I think people already know things. I just assume they already know things because I know something. And then I have to remind myself, like I got to educate this person, I got to inform

10:40 them. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But if I don't inform them, this could happen. Let's say they don't know the thing I'm telling them, then the possibility exists that the thing will happen. And then that's a regrettable thing that happens all the time to me. So I'm constantly like telling people things. And I know oftentimes it's unimportant because they may already know these things.

11:01 They're like, why is he telling me these things? It's because of the backfiring things that have happened throughout my life. And some of it's like, Oh my gosh, there's a there's a glass on the edge of the table. And they may not know that. Did you know there's a glass at the edge of the table? And they're like, yeah, I knew that. I'm like, well, if I didn't say anything, 10 minutes later, somebody's knocking that glass off, it's shattering. And I'm going to be like, damn

11:23 it, I could have kept that from happening. So some of it's like that, that danger type of energy, but some of it's more when you're putting like a, you know, a schedule together and you're creating like a, a business and a yoga studio and you're thinking about all the ifs, ands and buts, the possibilities, the flow of a schedule.

11:45 What would work best here? What would work best there? There's it seems like there's an unlimited amounts of information that you could, I could at least put out there to help people see that like that might not be a good decision, right.

12:01 And that might be why you say I don't have, I have some whatever you said, like I trust my intuition pretty well. Yeah, I, I do. I I'm not afraid to point out in a group of people where I'm the only person who thinks a certain way. I'm not afraid to tell people what I think. Yeah, in my mind, you know, in my system, I just go into this like, what's the worst that can happen? They're going to dislike me for 5 minutes. And I'm going to come from a place of humility and integrity. I'm going to try to at least.

12:33 And I'm also going to come from a place that might be confrontational because that's what some vibrations require in order to shift them. So the people won't listen to you if you're too passive, for example, some people will you like, depending on the vibration, if you are passive, that might be the actual way to be listened to.

12:54 Whereas others that might not work. You might have to actually activate them to be listened to, which means you match their energy. It's not about what your words are, it's about how you say those words. And so I'm very conscious of that. And so sometimes I can be a little blunt. Yeah.

13:09 And I can be a little bit sharp. Yeah. And, and at the end of the day, I think everybody respects it. And occasionally it goes not so well, but often times it sheds light on something that effects change and at least reconsideration of truth and possibility.

13:31 Right. Yeah. So as you were talking, I thought a little bit about an example of something that I don't necessarily see you do too often, but I'm, I'm sure the audience can have their own example of this. But like whenever someone asks you of something or to do something, or hey, let's go for dinner or hey, let's get together this day or let's do this thing. And it's kind of relating to boundaries to some degree where you're like, oh, like I do want

13:59 to meet up with this person or I do want to, it's important that I, I talk to this person. Or it's important that I maintain this relationship, or it's important that I, I haven't seen this person in a while, or this is a work related thing, or I need to impress this person or whatever the IT might be.

14:14 But deep down you're just like, I've had such a long day, I'm tired and I don't want to do it. Like I truly don't want to do it. The truth is I don't want to do it. But what I'm going to say is, yeah, I could probably make that work or something to that effect. And that being a little bit more of that. Call it intuition, call it truth, call it that unseen energetic component that whether it's being listened to or not, and it's related to the boundaries aspect is speaking up into the physical world as a

14:45 manifestation of your truth inside. And that's something that I can relate to on a more recent basis just because there's, I'm always being asked to do things. And sometimes I'm, I'm obliging or I'm saying yes, because it's either work related or I need to do this because it's a, there's a deadline or something like that.

15:03 Or someone can only be seen as a like a physiotherapy client can only be seen on a certain day. And in my head I'm like, oh, I really, you know, if that's the only day they can be seen, I guess I got to help them out. But meanwhile, I'm like, it's a Saturday. I don't want to do that on a Saturday, for example. Yeah, I don't really see you doing that. Oh yeah, like, like saying I'm going to do something. Yeah, like, well, I think I've just tuned into social situations or gatherings where

15:33 someone will ask you, hey, does anybody want to do this thing or does anybody want to do this? And you never really or if they're asking you directly, you're never like obliging. I don't see feel obliging energy from you.

15:44 It's always just like, no, I'm not going to do that or no, I'm not interested in that. Like it's straight out the like you react, you respond very quickly on the truth versus for me and maybe some people can relate to this and I am sacral defined. So I do have this like intuitive sense that if I listen to it, if the answer's there immediately, I don't have to ride a wave of emotion or anything like that.

16:03 But if I'm not listening to it, then it could be missed. And that's kind of what I'm getting at for me is if someone asked me to do that thing and I don't actually take a moment to be like, do I really want to do that? If I don't ask myself the question, do I really want to do that, then I might just agree or say yes.

16:20 For example, yeah, I would say I, I, you know, depending on what The thing is like, it could be somebody that I'm, I'm like this is, this is an opportunity here I really need to, to take advantage of regardless of my fatigue levels.

16:33 I just know if that's a thing I got, I got to do and I'll just even if I'm tired like that tiredness, tiredness will never get in the way of, of something that I really need to do. If it's something that can wait or it has like a, you know, it can wait. Yeah, just I can postpone it.

16:49 It could be a few days later or is it really is it? It could just be a like a whatever thing to time is precious. I think the busier we get, it's like you got to discern where to spend your time, spend it intentionally. And yeah, I mean, I'm not all work, work, work business. Like I'll let's let's reserve a time to shoot the shit, you know, like that's important for me. Like if I don't get some sort of bro time in or something, like, I don't know, like that'll drive

17:19 me nuts as well. Like that's a yes as well sometimes or no. But yeah, that's interesting observation. I, I think I've cultivated that over time. That is not something that I maybe knew myself well enough to really know how to do that for a long time. I don't know, actually, to be honest, it's hard to say. Like, when did I even start being like that? Probably just by knowing myself.

17:44 Probably doing it more often that it becomes almost like a like a muscle of you just know how to like respond in these situations. Just kind of like, you know, can be conditioned behavior that if you are agreeable, you know, I'm sure you know some people I'm talking to you, Byron, but also just people who are listening that that person is just so agreeable and everything. And they're oh, they're so kind and they're so nice and yes, and everything you if you ask

18:09 something of them, they'll just be like, yeah, here's my shirt. Of course, absolutely. You know, like, you know, I think of a few people really close to me actually like family members back home and I'm just like, I feel for them 'cause I'm like, I just know deep down they don't want to do those things, but they do them all the time anyway, 'cause there could be many reasons why I have insecurities of wanting to be liked, whatever. That doesn't really matter at

18:28 this point. But the whole, the whole point of this conversation is to talk about that unseen truth. Yeah, like where did all this come from? I think that's an interesting conversation for the viewers. What would you like for the listeners?

18:41 What would you like to reveal to them? We chose this subject because why? Well, we were kind of dialing into different elements that are related to Bolognese traditions. As you guys know, we've we're, we're in the space of this studio opening and one of the elements that we wanted to infuse is just connection to Bolognese culture. And naming the studios was a big part of it. In fact, I asked one of the teachers about it, who was Kimberly, who was actually half

19:10 Balonese and she kind of gave some insight on to it. And we've been kind of going back and forth and we settled on 2 names. Which are Sikala and Niskala? Sikala and Niskala which in a simple definition mean what? Seen and unseen. Correct.

19:28 Seen and unseen. So based off of the questions that we've begun been going through over the last like 1520 minutes is very much just related to what is that unseen element that's going on. So we're talking about thoughts, we're talking about feelings, we're talking about intuition, guttural feelings, these types of elements.

19:45 It doesn't just necessarily stop there. Spiritual realm. Spiritual. It's the Niskala. It's the, it's the unseen, the things that are not tangible, they're not physical, they're not of this realm or dimension. So I think of a three-dimensional world. We have a table in front of us.

20:03 We have cameras set up here. We have a microphone. I can touch it, I can tap it. You know, like all of this is very much this dimension, this world. That's what they call Sikala. Sikala Niscala would be what you can't see. You can't see my thoughts.

20:19 You can't see. Spirituality, some people might say they see spirits, emotions, things like this manifestation realm. So for those of you who don't know much about Baloney's culture and and maybe you're tuning into this podcast for the first time, we are opening a studio very soon, probably be open by the time this is listened to and we have quite a project going on.

20:44 And there's two major Shalas or studios that are quite big. And we wanted, we keep on playing with ideas of how to really honor the Balonese culture and lineage. They have so much depth. It's part of the reason people come to Bali, you guys is because they feel held and they feel safe in this culture. It's a very homogeneous culture.

21:09 And I say homogeneous because there's a routine here. There's ceremonies all the time. There's every morning you go outside, there's an offering of incense and rice and flowers that a Bolognese woman has diligently and over and over again every week created. And it's part of their culture.

21:30 And we are here, let's say, enjoying and feeling a certain way about it. And so many people come here and, and, and they experience it and they're like, wow. I didn't understand really what Bali was about until I was here.

21:44 And I immersed myself in the culture somewhat. So it's not just because it's beautiful rice fields and there's oceans here. I mean, that's there's a lot of places with oceans and rice fields. It's because of the culture dynamic.

21:55 So our best attempt here at honoring where we are in this beautiful yoga studio and restaurant and recovery center, Rejuvenation Temple, we thought that might be a good place to start is the 2 Studios. So upstairs will be called Niskala. The unseen upstairs is the what we're calling the daily practice room.

22:20 Downstairs will be Sikala. So downstairs like the ground level, what you can feel, the roots, the earth, the physical touch it, you can mold it. But then upstairs is like where the spirituality takes place, and that's where we're going to start. And the Bolognese see these two elements as equal need of tending.

22:43 They both need to be addressed in life. So then my question is actually to the to the audience is like, how much do you tend the scene versus the unseen? So how much do we tend to the physical appearance or the external elements around me, the money, the house, the, you know, all these things versus the unseen, which could be the feeling, could be the intuition. So like if you're watering the flower, would the watering the flower be the scene and then

23:17 maybe the feeling of. Yeah, the intention, the love. There's the intention, that's the the unseen. Sure. Go to cooking. When you're cooking, are you just, is it transactional cooking? I'm following a recipe and doing this thing or am I loving what I'm doing?

23:30 Am I putting infusing joy into this? And like think about that home cooked meal or that Italian food that just has this infused like so delicious, so tasty. And it's like, why is it? Is it the ingredients that are different? Maybe.

23:45 But there's this other unseen element that is just, it's hard to really pinpoint. And I think that has a lot to do with it. And there's been studies about like music and vibrations, which, you know, those could be arguably seen and unseen to some degree.

24:00 Vibrations, you know, might not necessarily be physically seen, but they can be felt or at least like processed through your senses of hearing. But that has an influence on like the growth of plants, you know, for example.

24:13 So you know, if you're having, if you're speaking kindly to your plant or if you're feeling intentionally kind to your plant, it will will grow and change in a different way and the versus just watering it every day with like heat, you know? Well, it makes me think of yoga poses as well. And also so I don't forget the other thing it made me think of. It makes me think of all of the hard work or behind the scenes effort that goes into something before the actual presentation or The thing is is put forth

24:45 into the real world where it's experienced by others. So from a yoga perspective and like the yoga poses, like when you know from that perspective, it's like the poses, how it feels in the pose as you bend your knee and feel your muscle engage and war your one. And you push the outer edge of your back foot against the ground and you draw your lower belly up and you lift your chest up and you may look up and reach through your fingertips. You can feel all that, you can

25:10 see it, but where's the breath? You know, the breath in there is unseen. You know, you feel the posture, you cultivate A richer sense of awareness throughout the posture. And even right there you have a balance happening. And then going kind of a back to the other thing I mentioned, it's like all of that hard work that The Beatles put in the unseen education or songwriting that takes place within the creative space in their minds and hearts. And, you know, not just them,

25:41 but you could, you could put this on anybody who's really become a master of what they do. Somebody who might have, you know, have a PhD in something or, you know, you went to school for physical therapy. I'm sure that required a ton of school. And you put all this like effort in and a lot of it's not physical, you know, like you're absorbing information through focus, through a different, a different thing. And then it comes out as this like amazing product of of mastery in some sort.

26:13 You didn't really mention this, at least you said the first part, which is the upstairs is going to be mostly dedicated to classes in the downstairs to call is going to be mostly for trainings, kind of dialing a little bit more that focus, that tangible kind of like, you know, here's whatever learning poses or something to that effect. And that's ultimately kind of how we landed on those two. But I think just bringing it back to like outside of the physical space of the studio is

26:38 the connection to the Bolognese and the balance between the two. And, and just that self reflective question of like, you know, I think a lot of us try to tend to both, but I think naturally we always tend to lean towards the scene because it's usually right in front of us, right?

26:55 Versus taking the time to actually become aware or allow our awareness to focus in on the unseen and giving it recognition or giving it even space to exist or to be tended to, to cultivate, to nurture and knowing that both of them are necessary. And that's exactly what the Bolognese talk about is that they're they're necessary of each other. So most of us are only managing one of them is kind of how it's described, but both require tending. They don't treat one as more

27:31 real than the other in the Bolognese culture. They are opposites, but at the same time, they're both necessary. So I think that's kind of why I like it is, you know, for the studio, they're both necessary spaces for different reasons. But then also just thinking it from an interpersonal perspective or an in like a personal perspective, excuse me, is just kind of that self reflective thought of yeah. What does that mean for me?

27:54 You know, we gave some questions at the beginning to like reflect on that with intuition and unseen and all that stuff. But yeah, I think it's a, it's a cool concept to kind of dive into. Even if you're wondering like what you should wear to go out to dinner, you're like, hey, what should I wear? Should I wear this shirt or should I wear that shirt? Or like, should I, should I wear these pants or these pants? You know, it's like, what's the answer? You know, because we all have, I

28:22 think pretty sure at least I've asked many times, like what looks better? Because we're always like thinking about how to see. What does it look like to in the the Sikala realm, the scene realm, when the truth is it's the Neskala realm, the unseen that matters there.

28:38 How do you feel in it? Which one do you like the best? Right. And then just by you saying what you liked better, it makes me feel better and I'm like, oh, if they like it, maybe I like it too. And then the unseen realm gets tended to a little bit more.

28:54 Wouldn't it be amazing to to just really trust that on all levels all the time? That'd be nice. That'd be nice, but it's also kind of fun have. You Have you ever worn high heels? Probably. I think I as a dressed up as a girl for Halloween when I was younger.

29:15 But did I wear heels? I don't remember. I. Probably tried them on once to just like see what it's like to walk around and I kind of have this very, very like brief memory that's just, it's impossible. Like it didn't last very long, right? Yeah, the reason why I asked that is because you made me think of it when you said the clothes example, because like, I don't wear high heels.

29:34 I might have done the same as you just responded. Like I might have worn the ones just as like see what they feel like. Granted, I probably couldn't find a pair that actually fit my feet. Seriously. But then I also think like, why do people wear high heels? They're definitely not fucking comfortable, right? You know what I mean, right?

29:49 There's something about it increases your height, you know. Interior. Tell maybe, maybe there's an element that it makes me feel sexy or, you know, it does something and you know, sure. So that's true. That's a good point. So just you know.

30:00 I wear a hat sometimes, not because of the way it looks, because I feel like, I don't know, I just feel like a different kind of energy. Right, so there's no right or wrong answer behind these, you know, these examples, we're just going to it's it's just kind of like the Yamas and the Yamas, they're not rules, they're just they're I.

30:18 Like where it's going, you know, I think that there's more, more juicy stuff that we could probably get into on future podcasts relating it to the Balanese traditions and with our studio. And, again, a culture that it's already been mapped out for thousands of years.

30:34 And they've been doing this on a homogeneous level and, you know, to educate people on something so beautiful, regardless of religion, too. We're not trying to tie this into religion. Seen and unseen doesn't have to be looked at religiously. This is more about relatability to humans. And no matter what faith you, you are in, and there's probably, I'm sure somebody out there is listening to this and they're like, oh wow, that could reference this, this in Christianity or in, you know,

31:05 Islam. You know, there's probably things like this and other texts as well that I'm just not aware of. But yeah, it's super fascinating. It's, it's fun. It's fun to grow, it's fun to learn. It's it's fun to be immersed into a culture that you literally are eat, drinking, eating, drinking and breathing in every. Day and ultimately it's talking about what's happening on the surface of life versus what's actually happening on the inside.

31:34 So for ourselves, we can talk about that. But then if we think about it interpersonally now you know what we see with other people that's not always the story right? There's there's always things going on that we don't see the unseen.

31:46 We don't know people's backgrounds. We don't know why they're being difficult today. We don't know why they're happy. You know, if we were to go to the contrast and that unseen element is like, are we tending to that for other people as well or not even tending it?

32:00 But are we acknowledging that there is a truth there, or are we only acknowledging what we are seeing in front of us is that this person is difficult or this person is super happy? And it's kind of like why, You know, Like, it's so weird and different, but like, there's some underlying reasons for everything. And I think that's an important element to incorporate not just in our own personal life, but just also to use as a way of building compassion and empathy

32:23 for those around us, which makes us just better humans and compassion. Yeah, very. Compassionate. Anything that builds empathy, I'm all for it. Even though I did kind of come across somebody the other day that was basically saying it was a waste of time to be compassionate and empathetic and interesting. Yeah, it was.

32:44 How did that go? It was just someone who was so in delusional that, you know, they're, they wanted to create, you know, they were so buying into their own narrative to support the way that they are. And they were trying to call like self reflection, which would be an unseen thing, unnatural. And it was one of those guys who was like very kind of like an Andrew Tate type figure.

33:12 And on these guys who are just like, you know, trying to change the world with their aggressive. I don't even know what to call that energy, honestly, but whatever, some people will know what I'm talking about. Just Google him.

33:24 Andrew Tate. Very linear, very logical. What's in front of me? What's in for going forward? There's never going back. It's always just moving forward and moving forward and moving forward. What's the point of self deflection?

33:35 Doesn't help anything. It's a waste of time. It's it's hurtful. Society would be better if we all just operated like this, which, yeah, I just think it's crazy considering if you look at the actual history of, of mankind and humankind and womankind and, and the way people have actually benefited and turned their lives around and healed themselves. There's a lot of, there's a lot of evidence that self reflection, the unseen realm is where it happens, right? You know, but what society or

34:04 what most of the world puts value on the most is the scene. At least a lot of societies, unfortunately. Yeah, not all people are. Listening to from the Western world. The Western ones, yeah. Value and that's what that's where you can get caught up in the trap, is that if you are following the narratives or you're following what is being given value to, then you're probably focusing on maybe unconsciously or unaware of the scene of the physical world, of the things that are right in

34:34 front of you. But in certain cultures like the Bolognese, they give value to both and therefore there's more balance. Well, I think that's it. Any final thoughts before we wrap it up? C here. C or NC? I'm a seer. I'm a seer, not AC here.

34:53 I think that's it. I think that's it, yeah. Well, if you guys have any thoughts, you know, reach out to us, Instagram, anything like that. You know, we got a lot of cool things going on. If you haven't, if you're listening to this podcast and you're just like, oh, like, who are these guys?

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35:37 Come join our world. We'd love to have you as part of our community. Thanks so much, Byron. More to come. And thank you, listeners. We'll speak to you next week. Thank you all. Bye for now.