Energy Healing After Trauma, with Cat Kabira

0:00 What I teach my teachers to do before they actually teach a class so that you can be grounded and centered and it really is like a game change for how the class unfolds and how you feel during. Because I think we can agree that if you're a new teacher and not even a new teacher, it can be a very anxiety. Like so much anxiety can come up like, Oh my God, all these humans.

0:27 Like the projections that you have to manage when you're teaching how to even have boundaries around those projections from the students, the expectations you know and your own fears and your projections you know that that go on to the students and you know you've had a busy day.

0:44 You know, what if you just had a fight with your partner? You know, like all the things that can happen you know, and yet now you've got to hold space for all these humans. And so I have a rule where I mean I, I'll I'll greet sometimes I I I won't make eye. Kind of like I was a little bit fiercer when I was younger where I would just kind of walk in.

1:02 I wouldn't make eye contact and like first ground. Now it's like, you know, especially at the yoga barn, I just want to Orient people. I'm like, what to do so they don't feel lost. But before I actually teach, you know, So I kind of go into like my performance management mode of like make sure you got your props and all that.

1:19 But then I take a moment and it can be moments. Or I'm just sitting, I close my eyes and I'm, I'm separating myself from the students and I'm first coming into my breath, you know, dropping into my center, you know, And I'm, I'm feeling both first grounding in a pelvis and sacrum.

1:37 So dropping into the sacrum is a really like breathing into the front of it, feeling. It will just get your energy down and my voice will get even lower than it is now, like when I really start to ground and I'll even feel.

1:51 Like my pelvic floor, like just like a pulsation and energy. Like I'll I'll be connecting with the energy from the ground rising up into pelvis. So I'm I'm making sure that I'm going to be very grounded when I'm teaching because that's the transmission that I'll be giving as well.

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2:50 sure we get a full 360 degree angle on what yoga is all about and how it's evolved in the modern world. Welcome to our podcast, Welcome back to the Going Pro Yoga Podcast, Michael here. And today we have a special guest with us, Kat Kabira. Kat Kabira actually, we just met for the first time probably about 20 minutes ago.

3:12 But I'm familiar with Kat's work. She works at Yoga barn as well as you've been in Bali for quite some time. Is that correct? 17 years. Holy moly. Yes. Holy moly. So this is what's going to happen. I'm going to let Kat introduce herself because she's going to do a way better job than I am. But I'm super excited to have you here, especially having talked a little bit before this podcast and know what we're going to get into so.

3:35 Why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself, where you're from, what you like, and we'll go from there. Great. Well, thank you, Michael. I'm very happy to be here as well. And yes, I've been here for 17 years.

3:47 However, not the whole time. I do travel around the world a lot. So I just came back from Portugal and Morocco and Sweden. So I spend half the year over in Europe and having a new love affair with Morocco. Oh, really? Yeah.

4:02 So. Yeah. And what do I like? I mean, of course, among yoga and energy work, I also really love outdoor adventures and exploring. I'm a terrible skateboarder and surfer, but I love it. And yeah, I really love playing outside. So I would say that that and I compose on the piano, and I've been doing that since I was seven. Yeah.

4:28 OK. Yeah. Now I'm a little bit more indated into your world. Where are you from, Redmond? Born in New York, mostly an East Coast girl. Moved to Missouri for a few years, went to boarding school in Switzerland and France, and lived in West Africa and graduated from Boston University. OK, so there's a lot of movement even at an early age, right? Yeah, Movement's good.

4:50 Yeah, it allows flow exactly. So what is it that you do now? What is it that you're most excited and passionate about these days? I would say energy work and that's always been how it's been. I mean, when I first started yoga, it was 1997.

5:09 I was really anorexic and actually was looking for a boxing class and walked into a yoga class and. You know, I didn't like it. I thought the teacher was weird. And the poses, because I wasn't in my body, like I I remember looking down and putting my hand on my hip, like, where is my hip? You know, where, where is my arm? But it was in those spaces, those resting spaces, when you're laying on your stomach or on your back. And I would feel these sparkling

5:38 sensations and because at that time I had, there was no pleasure involved in being in my body. To actually feel something pleasurable and for me, magical, and it it just got me hooked. So I kept going back to the mat and I even started meditating, you know, pretty much the next week just so I could feel those sensations.

6:00 Which I know now you know is actually like my my body waking up and I was landing in it. Describe those little sensation. Back then, I mean, I wish I had them now, but like, I mean, there's so many different sensations. But back then I felt like my whole body was sparkling, like popping with sparkles. And if you don't mind me saying, I felt like I was getting these really cool orgasms all the time. I was like.

6:23 No wonder why you can't. Yeah, I was like, this is cool. And people were like, why do you keep meditating? I was like, oh, it's great. So yeah, I would say that. And then of course I became so passionate, you know, about wanting to put a language or find a framework for what is this that I'm experiencing. Because I was, I was meditating a lot and kind of realizing like, Oh my God, we're all one.

6:44 And you know, the God is me and I'm God. And and so I was looking for something. And so that's where with yoga also something that because I had been working with plant medicines when I was 19, I lived in the jungle with an Ayahuascaro.

7:00 Whole different side of me. I got questions about that. Yeah, I'll let you. I got lots to say. But the thing that I kept coming back to was one, the Breath was a great teacher for me too. I'm highly sensitive. Three, I really loved taking people on.

7:16 I can take people on journeys without having to take any medicine. That's kind of my side. Job is like, people would be like, Oh my God, I feel like I was in a ceremony. So I became passionate about how do we start to wake up and. Reclaim what we already have inside of us. You know this.

7:35 This. This. Knowledge that, this wisdom, this, this. How do you have the words for it? You know it's. Like deep intelligence, yeah. And it's something where I work with kids and, you know, up to a certain age before they go to school for too long, they get it. You know, I'm walking in and I want to talk to them about energy and they know exactly what I'm talking about, you know, astral traveling and.

7:59 Even just how to be in their body, emotional management is even easy with them. By around the age of 10, you know, if they're starting to go to those conventional schools and have been there, something shuts off in their brain.

8:12 And, and I see it, I can almost track it. And so I'd say my other secret little job is, is getting adults to reclaim that part of their child's self that that can, like dream awake, you know, has this wisdom, has this multidimensional access. Wow, that's super interesting.

8:31 I actually have questions about that too. I'm like, do I go down the drug in Ayahuasca path or do I go to the childhood path? And I think I'm leaning towards the childhood path mostly just because I resonate a lot with that. I have nephews and nieces, one of which is going through puberty right now and seeing them grow up and just seeing the changes and stuff that they go through and and then thinking of myself and the playfulness that I'm trying to respark or bring. Again and seeing how amazing

9:01 that is, cuz it's like I'm an adult now, but it's like I wanna be more like a kid and when you're a kid you wanna be more like an adult, right? So it's interesting to hear you say like the 10 year old piece and noticing that trend.

9:13 So yeah, I'm more curious about that as well. So you said before the podcast before we started that you work with. Is it special needs or autism specifically? I, you know it's it's so funny when I try to like when I'm doing the marketing side and it's like who's your avatar And I'm like, well I I have this hit group of of seniors from 65 to 90 that like love me, I work with though lately it's been families and kids who are considered Neuro Divert, Neuro Divergent.

9:43 Most of them are on some spectrum and what I'm helping them starting start to differentiate though is, you know, I'm starting to see a lot of crossovers between being highly sensitive. There's so many different ways you can be autistic. Almost like everyone's slapping the same label on like, Oh no, it's ADHD, But there's a certain way that I, I'll admit I wasn't trained in this, but it comes naturally to me. I seem to be really successful, these kids. One is that I'm very clear about

10:13 how I'm, I'm approaching them. I really let them see me because I can feel and see energy. I can sense where their boundaries are. So I'm really mindful about like that's your space and this is mine. And I ask for a lot of permission when I'm navigating.

10:30 I also really communicate absolutely everything that we're doing. So there's nothing that's kind of left in the dark for them. And I think that's been. Really essential. And you know, when I'm kind of a mediator for their between them and their parents.

10:43 So they'll oftentimes be like if if our parents could just say more of this, you know, so there ends up being more improved communication. And I'll say too, just, you know, whether it's my eating disorder kids or you know, neurodivergent or just you know kids where it's like there's been some trauma or loss it. One thing for sure is that I, I see the patterns of the parents, the completely expressing themselves and the children. So when I have a parent reaching

11:12 out to me saying can I work with your, you know, can I work with their kid? I say yeah. But are you open to me working with you as well? Because it's it's it's yeah, it's a family affair dynamics. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so that's super interesting. And now we're just opening up more Candy Switch. Which is really exciting.

11:30 I mean, I patterns and conditions and and this might not be, this might not be new for everyone, but let's just pretend that is a little bit new. So when we're talking about patterns, conditions that come from our parents, how would you describe that?

11:45 I mean on a really basic level, terms in terms of energy like I will be working with a child and I'll see something happening that they do to their chakra and their solar plexus. And I'll kind of give them the language of what they're doing, how that what happens to their solar plexus in the relational field. Meaning when someone else, when they come into contact with them and you know how they're basically going to people pleaser mode or like over

12:13 tracking that person so I can kind of see what it's doing and then give them the language to that. But then I'll I'll go work with the mom right afterwards and I'm like right. You know, like, yeah. So what I do is luckily all the families I work with want the energetic perspective sometimes I'm working with other doctors and psychologists and, you know, it's like a whole team of people, but they want me to be the, the energy person.

12:38 And so they kind of all find it fascinating too, because they're all, you know, the parents are realizing, all right, like, we do this to one another. And, oh, and my mother was the one that taught me to do this. So it is, I mean.

12:52 I haven't yet seen something that, like, I love the patterns. I geek out on it, and then it's, you know, Luckily I have parents who are open enough where they just want to. They're open to it too. Right. So do you have a lot of, let's say, pushback from even just the language of saying energy work or like cuz you said before that you know certain terms of the way that you say things, you try to make it a little more accessible or relatable?

13:17 Because for some people, you know, this can start to move into the woo woo world. Totally. And yeah, obviously you've come across that. So what's that like? Well, so first of all, you know another little secret about me is that I was going to be a doctor or an engineer. So that was the kind of brain I had until I started meditating, smoking a lot of pot.

13:37 And I don't smoke any pot, not that you guys care anyway. And I was doing a lot of art and I. Just, you know. So I was like doing art and I was like I'm not going to find you know the the truth you know through through the conventional medical field.

13:50 So anyway so when I started teaching it really openly I got so much backlash. Like I I remember actually teaching a training with Shell Oil and Brunei and you know talk about very conservative crew and I'm I'm like finally I get to weave in the energetics, but I freaked people out.

14:12 And it was heartbreaking. It was. It was it was a lot a long time ago, like 2009, 2010. So who shell? Yeah, Shell like the the employees of Shell Oil were taking oil and and it was heartbreaking to to realize. But wait a minute, to me this is the essence of everything. And so like I would, I would say that for a few years I was very much on the edge about stuff and I kind of got used to people. Kind of judging, thinking I'm crazy, I'll say that. Then I just kind of like, well,

14:47 I'll just work with highly sensitive people because they get it. My brain's very practical. And my challenge was, was that with my teachers, they would give me these epic healing sessions but not give me any language for what happened. And because I was, I wasn't just doing energy work for fun. I was suicidal.

15:07 I was an addict. I wasn't eating like I couldn't function. I was terrified of people. I had sexual trauma, Like I was desperate for to find some way to function. I mean, literally there were days I couldn't leave the house. I mean, it's kind of crazy to think about that. So I needed to start to have homework and context and language with that.

15:27 So I started working with trauma therapist and taking the language there with the energy work that I was doing elsewhere and starting to put it together. I've been one because I kind of get obsessed, you know, when I give energy sessions, I was giving like maybe 12 a week. You know, I still do a lot of sessions a week with people. So that gave me a lot of ground to kind of test out and to be able to explain like what is actually happening right now. You know, like to me, the energy

15:53 work doesn't matter if once you leave the table, something positive hasn't shifted, you know, in the next few days, week, if not month, like we're looking for that. At least I am. So I'll say that probably like I, I started getting people wanting to me to write manuals and I would get new students who would kind of be like prove it to me, you know, and always wanting to have that like scientific side. And you know, I I also was like I don't have time, you know, like I I still want to teach

16:21 people how to actually sense this and feel this. Let's get out of our heads. And I'll say that there was a tremendous shift, which I'm sure you might have noticed is like COVID, you know, suddenly everyone wants something.

16:34 And the past few trainings I've run, I've actually done polls and I'm like how many of you would actually have trained with me pre COVID, like no way. So that I think that cracks something open. But also my languaging, I think what I love because I I've always wanted to be not someone out there. You know like to me it's it's this is this is what the real world is.

16:56 So that's why I've put effort into let me make this language make sense to you so that it is more palatable. So that you actually see that there's a direct relationship between your subtle energetic field and this reality, right?

17:10 And there's quite a bit that I can talk about with the field, but yeah, that's all I'll say for now. Okay. Cool. Well, I love that. Thank you. Because I can imagine even, you know, I don't know everyone that's listening to this podcast, although I wish I did.

17:23 But I do know that some people are new into the yoga space, having just, you know, done a teacher training recently, in the last six months, let's say, or a year. Even for them, the energetic stuff is relatively new. Yeah, right. And it might just be new in, in concept, not necessarily new in actual embodiment or feeling it or actually experiencing it, especially depending on how they did their training, for example. But they might be curious to know more because that's what I'm thinking is like, I'm

17:47 curious to know more like, so how do you talk about it or how do you like, well, maybe given this an example like something that you could. Say happened or how you would communicate to maybe a client or a. Person. So really easy.

18:05 One is that you know I I am very passionate about being grounded, which when I first started hearing about that, you know to me, like I remember working with the shaman and I rolled my eyes like that's not fun. I'm already grounded having no idea at that time that I actually wasn't grounded and I wasn't in my body so. What I love is to get people to actually get into their bodies. And so, you know, you won't know that you're in your body. Like if you're not feeling

18:36 something, then you're not in there. Like that's one basic thing. And you know, most of us are orienting like staying up in our head. So just to get people to Orient more, just like solar plexus, belly pelvis and down and. Usually it's it's very individual for each person. There's reasons why we're not in our body. It's not one-size-fits-all, but there will be a certain area that we're that we don't want to go into or feel in our own body. So for some people it can be

19:07 their pelvis, some people can be their heart because it's like I don't feel safe feeling if I go there I'll get stuck. Something bad will happen, but it's also. Making people realize that you actually will feel, I mean, you're going to feel your feet on the ground, but to get them to connect to, there's actually a current or a flow that goes from the ground and it rises up into your feet.

19:31 So it almost is like your feet aren't solid, you know, it's like there's just like this flow, there's a liquid. So getting people connected to that liquid body sense and it's taking people into a language of textures and sensations within themselves that is beyond like heartbeat, breath, like all the ordinary stuff. So as a musician, you know, the language I like to use is like to me when I'm in the energy world is more sound, texture, you know, rhythm.

19:58 And then it's like colors and and and geometry. And so it's like getting people to wake up their artist's brain a lot more. So a block from there can be that you're too logical or too analytical, which again, you're too much in your head. Breathing obviously, is an easy way to get people in, but. I I mean, I'll be honest, like my my quick trick is just like I put my hands on someone.

20:24 I help them ground, you know, like I I draw their energy down or I I ask their body. I don't do anything. So with the methodology that I do, I'm not putting anything in. I'm not taking anything out. I'm literally listening to the field and I'm starting to remind their system that that they can like live at this level too. And then I start to then all the stuff happens. Right.

20:47 OK. So let me stop you there. Talk to me about the field, OK? Because you said it a couple times and I think I know what you're talking about, but I want to make sure. OK. I think that's a great question because I'm almost going to talk about the field in two ways. There's we could talk say like your personal field. So I'm it's like the shape of an egg around your body, it's in front, behind sides, top, bottom, it can expand, it can contract, it can get holes.

21:18 It can be crackly. You can be born with something that's more of like an open or porous field. Those would be like the highly sensitive people or can be more like a tarp. And you also can be just because of like habit or trauma. You're too wide open all the time. Those are the people who are like, I can't stop feeling everybody, you know, like I know what everyone's going on or just end up being really contracted and you don't even realize like, I'm not all in me.

21:47 Also, we tend to favor some parts of our field and not live in other parts. So usually if like someone's just learning about energy with me, I get you to feel you know, what parts of your field are you living in. As you can imagine, all of us are like very front field focused, you know. And so, like even when I'm teaching, I keep on reminding myself, drop into the back of the field, that will calm me down, that will help me feel supported, That will ground me. It also helps me receive instead

22:19 of going into like over giving when I'm teaching. So that's something that like I I love to do. That's actually I was doing it as you were talking and I was feeling, I mean, I don't know how much of it was just like giving me ideas to think, but I was feeling it when you were saying no, it's like, oh OK, well, it is started to awaken a little bit there. It is that simple.

22:39 I mean people think like always a complicated journey and it's like, well actually. I'll just say there's a back of your field and it's like, and then you go into it, right? And that's that's what's fun to me is that if you keep the language simple and then you suddenly discover like what that really is, you know, and what that gives you, then we have like a collective field. So it's like you and I both have our own fields, we have our relational field.

23:03 So my other passion is what does one person's field do in response to the other field, right. And of course, that's like a fun play. With all humans, right? And then? I was gonna say that's like relationships, yeah. Yes. And so like and I think that's what's, yeah, I I just, I geek out about that, right.

23:24 Yeah. And then of course we've got like a collective field, you know, so we might have a collective field of Bali or of Ubud, you know, of Europe or you know, so it can get really big and really small. Yeah, and people, I mean especially here in Bali, use the language of like, oh, I really love the energy and Ubud.

23:42 Right. I read, you know, oh, I'm not sure how I feel about the energy in like Hulu Watu or I love the energy in Hulu Watu or I love the energy in Bali, right. Or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, what are they talking about?

23:52 In my head? I'm just like physics. Yeah. Vibration. Yeah. But like, field is another great perspective. So anyway, I didn't keep going, but I just, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, I mean it's not, I mean the field that I talk about is like to me it's almost based on quantum physics as well.

24:07 So but it's it's like it's just different words talking about the same thing. And then we would talk about like the healing field, which, you know, is like, if I'm going to give a healing session, I'm dropping in, I'm centering, I'm grounding. And I'm just kind of reminding myself and even reminding the person in front of me.

24:24 Like we have this healing field that is always holding us because, I mean, you know, I think you can agree, like we all like to be in charge. I like to think I'm in control, you know, And then it's like, Oh my God, you know, I let go of the wheel and there's someone else that's driving it.

24:40 And that, to me, was what was so healing about. Training in the energetic arts is wow. There are these like, profound, miraculous things that I couldn't have even created if I planned it and, like, studied everything, that I'm literally just being the witness and I have to be so present. You know, and it's not like I'm doing nothing because there's a certain level of presence I have to cultivate to just be really in there and with them.

25:08 And so that's the that's to me when I talk about the field as another thing is like their contact with their divine self, you know, and and I I was just teaching last week like a training and you know students, I was like, So what What would you guys call the field? And one person kept saying, well, it's love. You know, it's.

25:26 You know, we all, we all are still looking for those words, for this beautiful, invisible force, and it's holding us. Yeah, that's great. So if I were to bring in language of like, because when I think of feel, I think of vibration, I think of energy, whatever, whatever language you resonate with, go with that. But then I'm really into emotions. My partner works in emotional intelligence. I speak a lot about emotions.

25:50 I think it's really important I do my own emotional work. So if I were to say or if I were to ask a question about like, how do our emotional states affect our? Field oh, I geek out on this. This is like my favorite thing because I'm very sensitive to emotions as well.

26:05 So when I first started really tuning into energy and feeling it like I could actually feel like I I can immediately sense what's going on in someone's system or mine. So if I'm like just initiating contact with someone's field, I'm kind of just listening to. What's up with them for today?

26:24 What are they ready to? To not expose, But what are they ready to transform? Because I'm not going to push or dig. It's just like, what? What's rising? And with the emotions, you literally can feel like if there's anxiety, it will be like the shaking feeling, you know? And it's like if there's like heat, you know, when there's anger.

26:41 And of course, sometimes it's like so many different currents. It's not just going to be 1, but I'm listening to like, the deepest current that's kind of driving their system. That they may not even realize yet that's driving them.

26:55 So to me, it's quite palpable. Some of my I'm the feeler first, visual second. Some of my students might be more visual, and they might describe it more as colors or like, seeing things move. I can smell emotions too. So, like when I'm teaching in a class, it's not just because we're like sweating in Bali, but I can literally smell like, oh, like this person's, you know, releasing some old anger or some old fear or, you know, so. And I think it's being in that

27:22 place of openness because our our brains can kind of bad away the information if it doesn't fit in the categories that we were schooled to think. And so it's like when I talk about the Super senses, it's like allowing these whole other parts of you that really get all this information that you may not even have a language yet for how it's actually happening.

27:44 Yeah, but emotions. And the last thing I'll say is like. Even I I love teaching like an an active yoga class can begin could be something dynamic unprocessed emotions sometimes hang out in the field like so you've got the person and then the space around them and sometimes I can just feel or see that they've got this thing that they're ready to process. So I actually let students know like, you know, I'm because I, I, you know, because we always have to let them know like if we're going to adjust and I say

28:12 I do these energetic adjustments and I'm not. Putting anything in, not taking anything out. Just putting my hand on the edge of this unprocessed something. I'm like and I'm not even going to look into the story because I'm teaching class but you're going to process it and it and it's it's always worked. I've never had anyone get upset.

28:30 I mean people are like, Oh my God, thank you. But it it's cool because it's it's it like it peaks out being like I'm ready and it literally is this emotional trauma or emotion that's just hanging out here and it affects posture too.

28:43 So yeah. So you say, you geek out about. This. Yeah. I was like, Oh my God, I'm geeking more, but yes. Now that's cool. It's super interesting to me. I already forgot about what questions were because I was like so inundated with what you were saying, being receptive, that's what I wanted to talk about.

28:58 So receptivity and being open minded to first of all what we're talking about because if you're still listening, you must be receptive. If you've tuned out then well you're not listening to this. So it doesn't matter. But receptivity is, is basically we talk about this a lot, Byron and I. We also teach a lot about this in our trainings, about just being open to what you're hearing to be true. Yeah, and not thinking otherwise. It might not be true, but

29:24 receptivity is believing it to be true as you're hearing it. Yeah, that's the that's like the ultimate openness of receptivity. And I think for a conversation like this, you kind of have to be for sure, especially if it's new for you, you definitely need to be even more receptive, which might be challenging for some people.

29:40 So kudos to you if that's you and you're still here. Thank you. But I've, I've cultivated my receptivity over time. So that's why I'm super interested in hearing a lot of this stuff. And and you talked a little bit about adjustments and basically allowing this and and and allowing the field or allowing the the, the flow to happen or whatever you would describe it to be. And I was thinking about what happened to me last Friday. So Byron and I do a hands on

30:05 adjustments class. At 11:00 o'clock on Fridays. So he goes and teaches the class and he also does adjustments. But myself and a few assistants will literally walk around the room and will provide hands on adjustments. So I've been doing this for a year where I don't actually have to teach the class so I can just do my thing, which is really nice. And this is the first time I actually got to take the class. And the people that were walking around the room were our assistants who were trained.

30:29 And I didn't talk about energetics. I was talking very much like left brained. You know, this is how you do things, whatever. But we did talk about like recognizing people's resistance to your presence, you know, these types of things, notice their breath, how that changes. And you know, you could communicate that some of those assigns could relate to their field and how their field might be influenced.

30:51 So anyway, just to kind of skip ahead because I don't want to talk too much and let you talk more because you got a lot of stuff that I want to hear. But I was in pigeon pose and I could feel I was like, oh, something's going to happen here. I thought I could feel something was about to come through. And I was like, I get excited when that happens because like, I know something's going to be processed and I'm going to feel better afterwards.

31:11 So I, like, totally walked into it and I could, you know, I was deep in the pigeon and I could, I was breathing through it and I could feel my body starting to tremble a little bit. And then, sure enough, right around that time, one of the students came over. I shouldn't even call her a student. One of the teachers came over and she basically placed her hand on my sacrum and just gently on my upper back. And then boom, just things just started flowing out. And I was like, tearing and

31:36 really sobbing. And it was just. And she knew it's right. She was supporting me in the way that I needed to be supported. And it just, it like took me to the next level. Like, I don't know if that would have happened if she wouldn't have put her hands on me.

31:47 So I don't know if that's what you're speaking to, but that's relatable to me at least. For sure. I mean, I think there's there's so many ways to do it and that's a perfect example. And what I love is that you also pointed out that the right presence of someone else, you know, like a soft approach and where you know whether she knew it or not, she could sense or feel it.

32:08 You know, and had the right quality of touch that also that created safety in your field and why, for example, why we need a witness or why we would need a guide or someone there because it would help you ground, help you feel safe and also actually help you process. So yeah, it's exactly, you know, because also the other thing is that there's not one way, you know, it's like I've got my way and then I literally say to everyone you're not doing it my way.

32:33 You're doing it your way, right? So yeah. That's great. That's great. Cool. So let me think, with this energy work, how do you describe it for the not for the first time, but how do you? I'm trying to think of the best way to ask this question. How do you communicate it to?

32:59 Someone for the because we kind of talked a little bit about the words, but like how do you communicate it to someone for the first time to maybe build on the receptivity? So sometimes I like to make it more relatable, so I explained just even why I struggled with it.

33:16 So I actually usually say this is not woo woo airy fairy things, right? I actually got into this because I was suffering a lot. That I was desperate to find some way to heal. And what fascinates me is that there is a much more subtle place that includes our mental self, physical emotional self. And if you want to go into there, what we would call like your astral world or your dream self. And that all has an impact on your life. It has an impact on how you see

33:51 things, how you perceive things. Actually, what happens in your your life. So it's actually starting to look at if you are feeling challenged with things in your life, to not just go from the mental perspective because you're actually missing out on the totality of who you are.

34:08 There's an emotional self, right? And that's relatable. Emotional self is like probably the doorway. Right. So it's like that and even physical self, because I'll say, you know, how do we work with physical pain? And then Astral, I don't always mention, but I'll say like subtle energetic self and and people get it because usually they're game because they're like, I've got a problem, great, I've got physical pain. You mean like we can actually start to dissolve or or change this.

34:36 I've got these emotions that are impacting my life. So I definitely language quite a bit according to the emotions and I think that that just makes it a lot more palatable for people. And I think too, that also it's giving them the experience. I'm like, I don't want them.

34:54 I wish we could all just lay down and I could give us all an experience, you know? But it's like, it's also, can you feel it? Because once you feel it, you're sold. Just like me. The first time on my yoga mat, I was like, what is that?

35:06 I I was chasing it. Like, I want it. I I want to understand it. So And it's also people don't look at me like I'm crazy, you know, like they used to. But I was just teaching in Portugal like, I don't know, a few months ago to like this like big corporate event and no one had ever done any yoga and no one had ever meditated.

35:28 But they all were feeling really challenged in their life, low energy, depression, grief. And when I started talking about it, it just made sense to them. So I think it's something where it's like it's already inherently in us.

35:42 And it's just drawing people to take their attention back. Really, it's just going back inside. Right into your body. Yeah. And I, as I said to you before we even started the podcast, you know, I, I I purposefully and not purposefully just don't use specific yogic languaging anymore because I feel like it creates too much confusion for people.

36:03 And it's like, it's it I want to get. I want to make it raw. I want to like strip it away so that you actually can have your experience. And it makes sense to you. It's not a new thing that you're learning. It's like you're actually just going back into becoming. Right, allowing whatever is there to reveal itself. Yeah, if you will, yeah.

36:22 Yeah, that's beautiful. I think tapping into your own self, I mean, to me that is basically what yoga is, right? Which allows you to connect, I mean not to cross those bridges, cuz I like how you're not separating it, but allowing it to be its own raw form. But yeah, I think that's a beautiful thing. So let's think about language and words in ways that can be supportive to, let's say, someone's field. Let's say in a situation where you're actually teaching a yoga class.

36:58 Yeah, because I'm thinking of someone who's like, oh, I'm interested in this conversation. This is cool. But, like, I don't know if I totally get it. OK, And but like, I want to. And like, I don't live in Bali, but like, what does this mean? Like, what kind of things can I do? Like, is there certain language that I can use that would be, you know, or maybe there's some sort of activity I can do with myself, kind of, like, awaken myself and then maybe spark some curiosity in the people that

37:22 might be in my classrooms, for example. I this came to me as you spoke. I have other examples otherwise, but what came to me is actually what I teach my teachers to do before they actually teach a class so that you can be grounded and centered. And it really is like a game change for how the class unfolds and how you feel during because I think we can agree. That if you're a new teacher and not even a new teacher, it can be a very anxiety.

37:56 Like so much anxiety can come up like, Oh my God, all these humans like the projections that you have to manage when you're teaching how to even have boundaries around those projections from the students, the expectations you know and your own fears and your projections, you know, that that go on to the students. And, you know, you've had a busy day. You know, what if you just had a fight with your partner, you know, like all the things that can happen, you know, And yet now you've got to hold space for

38:23 all these humans. And so I have a rule where, I mean, I, I'll, I'll greet sometimes I, I, I won't make eye contact. Like I was a little bit fiercer when I was younger where I would just kind of walk in. I wouldn't make eye contact. And like first ground, now it's like, you know, especially at the yoga barn, I just want to Orient people. I'm like, what to do so they don't feel lost. But before I actually teach, you know, so I kind of go into like my performance management mode

38:48 of like make sure you got your props and all that. But then I take a moment and it can be moments where I'm just sitting, I close my eyes and I'm, I'm separating myself from the students and I'm first coming into my breath, you know, dropping into my center, you know, And I'm, I'm feeling both first grounding in a pelvis. And sacrum.

39:10 So dropping into the sacrum is a really like breathing into the front of it, feeling it will just get your energy down and my voice will get even lower than it is now. Like when I really start to ground and I'll even feel like my pelvic floor, like just like a pulsation and energy, like I'll I'll be connecting with the energy from the ground rising up into pelvis. So I'm I'm making sure that I'm going to be very grounded when I'm teaching.

39:38 Because that's the transmission that I'll be giving as well. And I also wait for my my midline, my center line, You know, that goes from the top of the head through the center of your body down to the ground. It can be a zigzag some days, right? It can be like, not my body.

39:53 So I wait for that to really arrive and I really drop in and make sure I've got the back of my field and that the back of the field is like, I'm drawing a big circle around the entire room. So that the field is holding everyone and I'm also getting held as well so that I don't have to to give and it's not all on me.

40:14 And then I then I kind of open up to a prayer. I mean this is where I get airy fairy where I'm like OK, you know like what what what's the real purpose today? How may I serve And I'll usually get some like, I mean I don't usually tell people this. Well I'll get some downloads and visions of like you know and I I'll make a prayer that the language I use, the sequence I have, the presence I hold.

40:34 You know, is really meeting everyone with where that what they need. But I would say that the main thing is, is that your presence is going to have an impact. And we all know this because, you know, we don't go to yoga class because it's like, yeah, it might be the creative sequencing or the good music or whatever, but usually it's like there's a feeling that you get and and there's going to be trust of it if it's really if that person's really grounded,

40:58 if they've embodied, you know, a certain level of material and experience in their body. Like that is going to be a transmission in their self of like you're it's safe enough to process this grief. You know, you can go into these edges. Like, I I remember having someone who had really embodied working with suicide.

41:16 You know, because her mother committed suicide. I had a boyfriend that committed suicide, did not process it until she never talked about it. I was just with her in her classroom and suddenly I could process it like there was a place. So there's a permission that the field gives. So you know, to me that's that's the other fun thing. I know I'm you're like trying to get me to do the back to basics and I keep going to the out there's, but um, yeah, it's like that's that presence is what

41:43 really speaks. No, that's good. And and I mean I can connect with a lot of what you said and not to change the language, but like, yeah, like thinking about your intention. Why are you even in standing in front of this class or sitting in front of this class?

41:55 What do you need to do to show up for the people that are here? Yeah, people are paying money, or they're they're they're spending their time and their money to be here. What do you need to do in order to be, you know, to deliver whatever is you need to deliver the experience, the presence, the intention. And that requires the responsibility of, like what you're describing as grounding and getting yourself mostly ready, right, whether it be through visualizations or, you know, these little techniques.

42:24 I thought that was really helpful. I was doing it again. When you were saying it and I was imagining my sacrum and I was just noticing my spine kind of straight, and in this midline I was like, okay, This is helpful, right? And also relatable because I'm sure, especially if you're a newer teacher, not even if you're new. You know, there's always things that just kind of interrupts right before you're about to teach. And even for myself, every time

42:49 before I teach, I always get a little nervous. Yeah. Because I'm like, I don't know what's going to happen. You never know what's going to happen. Yeah. Right. So it's always nice to just, like, center yourself and ground yourself with some of these little techniques. I like that.

43:00 So I'm not going to take you away from the area in which you like to go to. Great, great. And then you can go off again and it's all good. It's like a puppy. Yeah, yeah. So I wrote down a couple words before. One of them was, I didn't even read that permission.

43:15 Yeah. And you just made it again. And the space, which was another word I wrote. And then communication was another word I wrote. So the space and the permission within that space and then the language and the communication that's used within that space.

43:29 So we talked a little bit. Or at least one of my questions was talking about how can someone use or at least think about this energetic stuff for themselves. And then maybe there's some curiosity provoking language or communication that can help give people permission or allow the space to feel like they can start to, without even realizing it, explore their field. I know that the feedback I got on a class I taught two Sundays ago was that the entire class

44:00 was all about permission and curiosity. So I think there's just in general, and again, I'm going to stretch it a little bit to it. It's not just you like not just energy, but if you're a teacher and wanting to take people into spaces that they might have some resistance, You know, there's a way to to kind of like trick them and sweeten it but actually make it really first of all to to not make it an order or a demand, but really more like, you know.

44:31 Yes, what? And how would it feel? You know, I often find myself saying, what would it feel like if you could take your attention over here? And also where to? Because we can all be very critical of ourselves where it's not like there's a specific thing that they're looking for. And especially when we're talking about energy, that can be a really big block that we have. Because I know it was for me, I was so sensitive and yet one of the trainings I took.

44:59 With my teacher, like his language for energy was so different from mine. So I felt like a failure and I felt like, oh, I I'm not, I don't know what I'm doing, but it's not something real. I'm I'm making it up. So I try to keep my my language broad spectrum enough and actually say, you might be a feeler, you might be a seer, you might be tasting things, smelling, you might have words come to you, you might know things.

45:24 And you're not sure yet how that's coming to you. So it's it's really opening up the possibility and and also that we might have preferences like a lot of people want to see and I'm like can you just like first go with the 1st way that you connect. And so I also am really mindful that I don't just use feeling language you know I'm using all the different senses to also open up those possibilities however because most people. Aren't in their bodies.

45:54 And and the way I know it is like when I see, when I see energy. If you're in your head your head's like all opaque, the rest of your body's translucent. The moment you come into your body, it literally is like it just starts to drizzle down and fill up your body.

46:08 So it's pretty cool looking. So I do use feeling language for that just to get people that they're not just in like third eye, ungrounded where all sorts of possibilities can happen. Because I want I want you to know. What's true like I I want it to be something that you can trust for yourself know for yourself. So it does have to come in from the body as well. So I do use a lot of feeling language and to keep it simple you know breath and sensations

46:36 that is energy work you know and and most people are are scared to feel. I mean just teaching people I know that you like have done a podcast on trauma therapy you know it's it's at least from my experience of trauma therapy it's about. Giving people safe ways to feel without getting overwhelmed. So it is keeping it delightful and you know a lot of times I'll be getting people intrigued and and where is the the pleasure you know that you're feeling in

47:05 your body and it depends. I my language will change according to the person I'm working with or the group you know. So it's like I'm I'm literally tuning into the personalities because sometimes it is going to be more playful and almost like childlike and I take people on vision quests or sometimes it's very like.

47:21 You know, very straightforward. So it just depends. OK, yeah, that's fair. So what I'm hearing from Make it Simple in My Brain is appealing to the senses is a good starting block to just think about that, Yeah. Which I'm sure a lot of people already naturally do that, like notice the sounds of the birds outside the the wind on your skin, notice the the pressure from your sit bones from the ground or the studio floor or something like this.

47:47 Just allowing people to tap into their body, connect with their body through the senses that they're familiar with, right, The five senses, or however many senses people believe to be that they're they're familiar with. And when you mentioned senses, I wrote that that word down, so I wouldn't forget.

48:05 And especially just because I I think of, like the the complexity of the the, the world. And when I say world, I mean like the Galaxy, the everything. And how it's so easy for us to just be selfishly thinking that what we know is all we know. Yeah.

48:24 And that we if I can't smell, touch, see, feel this, then it's not real. Yeah. And. I think about that not a lot, but enough that I want to talk about it right now in the sense that I like to have these conversations knowing that there is something else. For sure.

48:43 And also wanting to know, like, will I get to experience what that thing is? Yeah, and I know that the answer is, well, I won't if I'm not open to it. Totally. So being open to it, which we've already talked about is definitely the primary thing, but then also tapping into what we do know, which is the census that we're familiar with, yeah. And then once those become so familiar and so. Like amazing and you're just like, yeah, I can feel and I touch and I smell and all those

49:05 senses are just like heightened. And you know what that does for your emotional body. I'm sure lots of good things. But then like, what? Help. It's what happens after that. What kind of cracking might happen. They're opening up.

49:14 I mean it doesn't even have to take that long in the sense that I can usually even say to beginners like so there's a flow that you can feel in your body because most people when we Orient towards our body, we're like belly, you know, chest, throat. So I also.

49:29 People just say, can you sense anything if you just start to feel from your heart through your solar plexus, through your belly, Sometimes that's explain where the solar plexus is, you know? And then just below the rib, your hose, right? Yeah, it's just case.

49:42 Right. And then like, you know, maybe all the way to, so I'll be like, you know, heart to pelvis, pelvis to heart and just getting people to recognize that there are sensations there. Most people are just they're on it. They're feeling it.

49:55 And I say to them, we're tapping into a place that we don't yet have language for. So can you stay with something that's a new feeling? And that's usually how I sell people. A new feeling that's good. It's a new feeling, it's new sensations and I actually say there's so many different textures and qualities of sensations that you haven't yet discovered and it's just like if you can get people the journey like that.

50:18 It it usually because they are feeling stuff. The only time you know, there's been a few times where like I've had this one guy where the girlfriend sent her boyfriend, you know, to me, which I always say like, please don't come just because your partner said to do it, you know, and the guy had no interest in energy and that he's like, I'm just here because my girlfriend wants me to be. You know, admits that he like, drinks daily, smokes daily, like very disconnected from himself,

50:44 not knocking the smoking the drinking, but like just really didn't even know he had a body. The hard thing was, is that the moment I put my hands on him, he was feeling stuff, but it was like it was painful. So I actually really had to to slow the language down and just to teach him how to start to feel and explain to him that he has a body that's been recording his entire life experiences. And that he hasn't been feeling it. And so I just had to teach him

51:11 just to like how to be in it in a little bit. And he would stop me every 3 minutes and I admit that I I felt like it was a failed session. And then the next day he calls me up, He's like, can we do another one? And he's like I feel a difference. So I think that's the other reminder is that there's going to be because again just going into like yoga teacher brain where we have these high expectations or we, we think that you know, we want to get, we want to get, we want there to be, you know, success.

51:38 That that sometimes small things can make big differences and so it's it's like we really have to dial back to to what's actually happening. So I I find that I explained quite a bit because again the mind calms down being like OK, this is this is the reason why there's a map here.

51:58 Oh, it's amazing. I love that he came or he. Inquired for more cuz I was like I can think I know where the story's going, but it went the other way, which is even better. But I can relate a lot to that person and maybe some people still can who are listening just with regards to the difficulty of allowing things to come through.

52:19 Yeah, and what I like to think of just emotions as part of that or as feeling, feeling things. And I'm so glad that I've opened that up because it's so, which is kind of like the the pigeon post thing that I described like 20 minutes ago.

52:33 Like whenever I have those moments where I'm allowing things to come through, like it's so fucking exciting for me. But I also know that I can sometimes see and I'll use your language, the field of someone, and there's no cracks.

52:45 It's like there's nothing flowing. It's like everything's just pushed and but sometimes they're curious and like, yeah, I want to do it. But then I'm also thinking, this is gonna be like a waterfall splash in my face, which I can't handle this.

52:59 I'm not prepared for this. I'm not trained for this, right? So I think about that as well. And to your point, sometimes it's just a small thing. We're not myself. I can't speak for you, but we're not here to. Heal people's traumas to the level in like a yoga class, right? And I try to tell people about that when we talk about like trauma Informed and I explain about the neuroscience of the brain and what people go through to so that they have more understanding and empathy for

53:25 people's differences and what might, you know, what might be triggering them. But I'm also like it's not your responsibility to solve any of those things. It's more so just to be compassionate towards it and then also hold space for it. And then maybe you drop a little word or nugget that might just allow people to be more receptive, more curious to go more.

53:45 Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, and even in the in trauma therapy language, they use the word titration, which is just like drop by drop by drop. And so to not have someone going to overwhelm to make it palatable, to make someone be able to integrate and digest it. That's why small things really work, because they can see for themselves.

54:05 Because we're all resistant. And I actually tell people, let's respect the resistance, let's be with it. There's a reason why it's there. Let's not push back pass. Let's become friends with it. Let's hang out with it, you know, And then it's like because and you've seen that, you know, you're teaching and it's like someone's really like resistant and it's like they're they almost seem like the most challenging student. But actually their fight, they

54:27 know that if they actually drop in and feel something, it's just going to crack open. So it's just like teaching a soft way just to. To be with the resistance which I need I'm a stubborn you know so it's so it's like yeah I I I think that's always more effective and and you're right too I mean I think that it we do need to create healthy boundaries around what quality of space and what's our job when we're holding a a group class versus A1 on one and then with

54:59 our individual training. At what level is your capacity, you know and then who else is on your team that you would refer people out? I, you know I I was training back when yoga changed a lot obviously. But like you know the older teachers you know where and some of it was almost like we are trying to heal our traumas but there was like a high expectation that would be too much pressure for a teacher and not appropriate even for that student in the classroom. So I I do think that there's a

55:26 lot of like I'm I'm very mindful around my boundaries when I'm teaching. Because certain space needs to be held when you're in a group situation versus one-on-one and being able to keep that that fabric going. Yeah, absolutely. Little bit more responsibility when it's one-on-one, I'd say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

55:50 Can you maybe just turn that light on just by? Yeah, it's just. Yeah, yeah. It's a little dark here. So I was now. Oh my gosh, it's better. Thank you for that paused intermission. Now I kind of little forget, oh, titration. That was the word you used titration, which is like little droplets.

56:06 And the thing that came up for me when you mentioned that, which I think is great because a little bit at a time is definitely the way to go with anything. But then I also think about what people want. They want everything right now. They want that I want to be fixed. I want my trauma gun immediately and all of it. And I try to playfully when I talk about this stuff. In in like my anatomy sessions, I don't know if you do this, but I teach a lot of anatomy and

56:31 Physiology. My background is physical therapy and stuff like this. Anyhow, when I'm talking about, you know, releasing certain emotions and trauma and how it all works in the body and the fascia and stuff like this, people are they always ask me questions like how what do I do?

56:47 How do I get rid of it? And I'm like, it's not so much about getting rid of it, It's more about like letting it flow out. I'm not letting it to be processed and it's not like you can do it in a week. Right, right. And people are like, I'm in Bali, like, what can I do to get it all done?

57:00 And I'm like, it's not really how it works. I'm like, you can start to crack open and allow that bottleneck to seep a little bit and titrate out, but it's basically that's what life is. Yeah. Life is just allowing that titration to happen.

57:13 And it just gets lighter and lighter the more it happens. It's really nice. Yeah. But yeah, I just think about the people that I just want it all. Give it to me. Like, give me the pill. Give me the thing that's just gonna fix all my stuff.

57:25 It's like, you kind of start to need to enjoy the process of the titration, yeah. Yeah. Or I have students who are like, but I've been doing this for a year and like, well, yeah, it's a little bit longer than that, yeah. And then I actually, I think it makes it relatable actually. Last night I was working with a client where I just said to her. Because she she deals with a lot of anxiety with people and just can't go out of the house.

57:48 And I said, well I've been to go teach a class in 30 minutes and I'm totally anxious about it. And she was kind of shocked to see that I still had like feelings and I was like now it's it's not crippling me, you know, but I'm, I'm observing this part of me that's a little bit nervous about it.

58:04 So I think it it also just helps you know like because I used to project on, you know my meditation teachers and you know yoga teachers that. You're a certain kind of person, you know, at a certain age when you've got it all figured out, like you're, you're stripped of your humanness is basically the projection I had. So yeah, it is a cute thing that we all go through, myself included, of like, well, yeah, it's just going to take a year or a week, a session.

58:29 I'm pretty sure I went through that as well, so I get it. But yeah, it's good to talk about it over and over again so that maybe it lands. OK, cool. So this has been really interesting, really fun. I want to. Talk so much more about there.

58:43 I feel like there's so many things that you could share that I want to like, pull out of you but then also bring you back so that I don't lose you and lose the audience. But yeah, we're about 55 minutes. And I think what might be helpful now is, yeah, we talked a lot about some practical things about like what you can do for yourself and then not so much about for a classroom, but more so what's really important for the for the room.

59:05 We talked about like the intention and stuff like this and like. Holding space and and you know certain language for titration and stuff like this which I think was very helpful just to kind of remind you as of what we talked about he can go back and listen to it if you want to.

59:19 So I would love for people to because I'm imagining people are or at least some people are probably curious to know more. So who knows maybe we'll do another podcast. We'll see what happens. We have to talk about plant medicine. We could talk about plant medicine, yeah. OK, so that, but not now that.

59:32 Would be another podcast. Yeah. OK. So we'll probably bring you back for that. But yeah, if somebody wants to reach out or connect with you, like what's the best way to do that if you're not in Bali, If you're are in Bali, let's talk about that. And if you're not in Bali, like, can people reach out? Yeah, I mean the good news is, is that I am always all over the world.

59:49 So, you know, I'm going over to Europe in a couple months. Again, Morocco, I'm in the States, I basically am everywhere, but I have. You're like Fasha. I am. Fasha is like everywhere. It's an anatomy dad joke right there.

1:00:05 That was great, yeah. So I have a website. itskatkabira.com. CATKAB ira.com, yeah. We'll put those in the show notes for sure. And I have a YouTube channel, Katkabira. So that's a place where you can get a lot of like sound bites, where it's just like 7 minute, 10 minute videos where I'm actually talking about energy, energy management because I really am passionate about you learning how to manage your own energy. Great, I have an e-mail catkabirayoga@gmail.com. Do you want people to, like,

1:00:38 send you emails? They can send me emails. So I love funny pictures, videos. Yeah. You know what is so funny? I wasn't always cat. When I changed my name to cat, everyone started giving me all these cat pictures. Now I do love cats now. But then I was not a cat liver lover. I was more of a dog person.

1:00:54 And so it's like I don't find it funny, you know? But now I do. I I. I. Send her cat photos. I love. I mean, when I get stressed out, I watch cat videos on Instagram. That's just what I do. So Instagram as well. Yeah, Instagram Kakabira.

1:01:09 So there's a theme my name. Right. I'm noticing that. OK, great. So websites, Instagram, e-mail, And there was YouTube and YouTube, right? YouTube. So YouTube sounds like a great starting point and kind of, you know, get into the world a little bit more.

1:01:22 If we sparked interests. I'm gonna go there. I'm gonna check it out. Awesome. So that sounds great for me. Plus, I'm here, so I could probably attend. Class it too. Yeah, it should be fun. And I have a grounding book for free, so if you get in touch, I've got boundary videos and a grounding book. So that's like I've got a lot of free material to play with. Amazing.

1:01:40 Awesome. Thank you. We'll Add all that to the show notes so it's easily findable. Findable. That'll work. It is now. Yeah, searchable. Anyhow, let's move on. Accessible. Accessible. There you go. Language. It's like 6:30 PM and it's dark here in Bali, so it's basically time for bed.

1:01:57 Yeah, pretty close to it. All right. Thank you so much, Kat. It's been really fun and pleasurable to learn more about your worlds and bring you back to our world and then learn more about your world and just keep doing that a bit more. So that was really fun for me.

1:02:11 I'd love to have you back to talk more about Ayavaska and all these other things. I'm sure there's stuff we can talk about. And since you're in Bali here and there, yeah, we'll see if we can make that happen. Thank you so much. I appreciate you.

1:02:25 And thank you everyone, for tuning and listening and joining us today. And I hope you have a beautiful day. Thank you. Any final words? No, I'm just so happy that thank you for inviting me. This is really fun today. And yes, I could have talked for much longer with you, so.

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