Burnout to Yoga Teacher: The Invisible Inner Work with Erin Hayes

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0:32 This is your host or one of your hosts, Michael Henry and Byron's not here today, but we do have a special guest. Aaron Hayes is in the house. Aaron, welcome to the podcast. Thank you, Michael. Thanks for having me on. My pleasure. So we've had a few new guests recently and the theme of the new guests has been mostly new teachers that are going to be facilitating or maybe already are facilitating at the studio, depending on when this gets released, of course. So welcome to the podcast.

1:01 Why don't you let us know a little bit about yourself, where you're from, then we'll kind of dive into some questions afterwards. Brilliant. So my name is Erin, I am originally from London. I grew up in London and I've been living full time here in Bali. I'd say around 18 months or so.

1:20 I was an actress. I lived in the States for a little bit and then I moved into a corporate career and back in London. And then I ended up leaving that behind to start my journey, my adventure back in Bali. And was your journey in Bali related to your first yoga experience? Did you come here for that?

1:45 No, we'll have to go back a long way. Big rewind back. What's your first experience with yoga? OK, so as I mentioned before, I was an actress, so I was in theatre at the time in London, and I was doing a particularly physically intensive show.

2:03 And the director said to me, I think you'd really benefit from going to Bikram yoga for recovery. So I took myself along like a, you know, good listener to the class, to the studio. And at that time, I would say I had a very unhealthy relationship with myself.

2:25 I was living above my body. I was chain smoking. I was addicted to coffee and nicotine and like, constantly trying to distract myself from my thoughts. So stepping foot in that room was like the most confronting thing. It was like the heat, the sequence, the silence, just the intensity and nowhere to run.

2:56 And like, by the end of the class, I just lay on the floor in tears in Shavasana. And I was like, this, this is hell. And you know, it was like a it was a mirror to what was going on in my life. And, you know, I wasn't ready to face it.

3:12 So I left and I did not go back. How old are you when you went? Thank. God, it must have been like 1920. OK, and so was the. Classic packed. Yeah, it was full of people and just like so, so intense. And, you know, I like, have you ever done? But you must.

3:30 Have I've never done it actually. Oh, so it's like complete silence in there and you know, 40 odd degrees and just this really strict sequence and nothing else. Just pure silence. So it's like at the same time, like the physicality of it is like bringing me into my body, which is a place that I'm not used to being. And it, you know, and then there's just like no distraction from anything.

3:54 You've got mirrors in front of you. So just like everything at the same time is, is going on and like no capacity to block it out. And yeah, I just, I just wasn't ready for it at all at that time. So yeah, I think like I didn't go back for two years and then like 2 years later it was like another role. And then this time I'm like starving myself for it. And I'm like drastic weight loss tips and Bikram yoga shows up again and I'm like, OK, I'm prepared this time though, because I know it's hell.

4:29 And so I, you know, I go back and I sign up for like a 30 day pass or whatever. And I have like 2 rules, like stay in the room and just keep going back. And things start to shift, you know, like I start to notice changes. I'm like, oh, I'm like, I can breathe differently. And yeah, I had this teacher, this this teacher called Sanjay. And he used to stand on my feet.

5:00 And I was like, oh, this is this is about alignment. He's helping with my alignment. And you know, when I look back at it, I'm like, no, he's helping me ground back in my body. And, you know, I began to stand differently. Like I felt physically, I could feel my feet on the earth, which I had never felt before.

5:18 And it's just like, I had this place that I could go to and it didn't matter how my day had gone. Like it didn't matter if I got the call back or if I didn't get it, I could still show up. I didn't have to perform. And it just, it helped me. And, you know, I hadn't had any much consistency in my life up to that point.

5:43 And I suddenly just had this space where I could just be. And yeah, it was this very internal thing. Like, I really didn't talk about it much, but like quietly in the background, it was just chipping away at my life. And I can't say like, Oh yeah, I discovered yoga and then like my whole life transformed. Like I made all the wrong decisions and still went to yoga.

6:12 Like I stayed in the wrong relationships and I still went to yoga class. I was in the wrong careers. Like, but it, it got harder because I then had this place where I could show up, where it became very glaringly obvious when I wasn't in alignment. It was like a mirror back to my life. And yeah, just this, this taste that I could show up to. And it began to teach me things.

6:40 You know, why was I losing my balance that day? What was going on? Why, what was stealing my attention? Why? Why did I need the teacher to like me? And it was, it was showing me. It was guiding me and yeah, I, I just kind of started to, I don't know if I'd say I fell in love with it. It just became something I did.

7:02 Erin's at yoga class. We obviously got something out of it from an maybe an unseen perspective or just a a deep down perspective. Sounds like a bit of self reflection. Time for self reflection, time for space to process or just allow things to be processed, maybe even unconsciously to some degree.

7:23 So obviously you went back for reasons, maybe it was physical at first to some degree, but that doesn't usually last. Usually there's more to it there. So and it's probably revealed itself more over time. Is that kind of? Oh my God, 100%.

7:35 It's been a huge, long, long journey and it's something that's just kind of continued to, to grow in development. I I think in the beginning it would definitely was about, yeah, finding that foundation, that sort of stability for the first time. And yet it changed my breathing, my capacity to be able to then handle things differently outside of the room. It was like, oh, I was able to breathe through really intense things and change the way I breathed. And so when ready, intense

8:10 things would happen in life that maybe I would typically respond or react straight away to. I then had the spaciousness around it like, oh, OK, like I can just breathe through this and not react and, you know, see how I feel tomorrow.

8:26 Like that didn't feel like an option before to me. Like I was, yeah, much more of a reactive person. So it would, it was shaping me and bringing me home to myself. And yeah, that was just deep, deep in a work in a processing going on. And you know, the philosophy fascinated me, the stories, but it really, it was this big part of my life that was just became ever present.

8:58 But it was never something that I was like, this is going to be the direction my life goes in. I never saw it that way. So that's part of my next question, which is when did it transition for you from this personal practice to more than that where you wanted to share, facilitate, be more of service in this space? Yeah, I never wanted to be a yoga teacher. I I would be really surprised, you know, if you went back and said, Aaron, this is the direction your life is going in, I would be really taken back by

9:27 that. So I how would explain it? Well, when I was acting, when I was in theatre, there was this feeling that I would get when I would step on stage and it was like something was coming through me, you know, it felt like, it felt like magic to me. Like, there was just this aliveness, this, yeah, this channelling experience happening, and I could never replicate it.

9:56 So I tried to move from theatre into film and TV, and it like, never felt the same. And I ended up walking away from that and leaving that behind and coming into, you know, corporate career that I kind of loved in some way and that it gave me, you know, stability and safety. And, you know, it almost felt like enough. And yeah, I'm sure it looked like it, but I guess deep down there was this like this like low level stress of like, maybe this isn't really what I'm here

10:35 to do, but it was the kind of stress that I could manage. Like it wasn't the kind of stress that I needed to change my life for it's. Like a low level stress, low level anxiety kind of thing, yeah. And then actually, I was listening to a podcast where Emma Watson was talking about this recently with Jay Shetty, and she was saying, you know, yoga, meditation, they aren't there to help you stay in a life that's out of alignment.

11:02 They are tools to bring you to the truth. And essentially, that's what I was using them for. I was, I was using them to, you know, manage this hum of, yeah, this is this is not really why I'm here. But it's a nice life and it's a bit stressful.

11:20 But, you know, I go to yoga class and tomorrow's another day. And then I went through A reckoning. I went through A reckoning that was not of my choosing. And everything that I had had to be true at the same time was wobbled, destabilized.

11:41 And again, yoga was this one consistency that I could still show up. And, you know, it became impossible to continue the way that I always had. And so I had to continue as I hadn't ever before. And that journey brought me to Bali.

12:04 And you know, the, the steps just, they kept on unfolding from there. So when I got to Bali, I went to a yoga class out here. It was one of Byron's and I was blown away. I was like, this is everything that feels like my work, like energy movement, self inquiry philosophy, like he's moving energy in there.

12:29 Was it a Vanessa class or was it the empowerment class? It was a vinyasa class, but I think he was very deep into the empowerment work at the time because it was around the time that he was starting it, or it'd been going for like not such a long time, so. He was testing it in all his classes. Yeah, it definitely had a lot of those elements. And, and so I was like, I, yeah, I don't know what this is, but I I want to learn more.

12:53 And I kind of kept coming out back out to Bali on these trips. I just kept getting pulled back. And I ended up signing up for the training with no intention of being a teacher, Just I want to learn more about this work. So before that did you because you kind of made a little bit of an indication of a bit like you were becoming more involved in energetic a work or maybe more curiosity about it. Can you say a little bit more about that before we kind of go into the?

13:22 Yeah, absolutely. So with energy work, wow. Like I have always had this connection, the sensitivity to energy. Like I, when I was a child and a friend was sick, I would like put my hands there instinctively, like I kind of knew that there was this, yeah, this energy that we were connected to that I couldn't quite explain or have a name for.

13:47 It just was very instinctive and it just was something I was aware of. And then I guess when we're talking about that, managing that low lying stress, one of the things that I would do is I would go to like sound healing and Reiki healing classes in the evening.

14:04 And this woman that one day said, I'm running a training on this. And I was like, you might sign up and do that, you know, be kind of interesting to learn more about this with no real desire to do anything more with it. So I ended up doing, you know, a training, a few trainings with her, and that was that.

14:28 And I never really, yeah, gave it much thought afterwards, but just, it was very interesting. But they do all of the attunements during that. So you're getting more, your capacity to hold energy is being increased. And I learned more about, you know, the background of it and the history. And.

14:48 Yeah. But I wasn't, you know, I wasn't practicing. And then I went through A reckoning and. A Reckoning sounds like a horror movie. Erin Hayes stars in The Reckoning. It was like a horror movie. It was, it was a really challenging time.

15:07 And during that, you know, I got back into energy work again in a big way for my own sake because it really helped me in a way that, you know, I was in talk therapy and it, it felt like it could only do so much. And, you know, energy work just was able to support me in a way that.

15:27 Yeah, it was radical in the way it was able to help me move through things and support me. And so through that, I then got more and more involved in energy work. I ended up completing more and more trainings in it. And yeah, I don't know. For me, the yoga and the energy were one and the same. You know, they weren't, They weren't. They were separate.

15:49 And I went to different places for them, but not in where they were coming from and not in how they connected to me. Yeah, I mean, we can definitely relate to that. Out of curiosity, what kind of trainings did you do? You said you did a bunch of different trainings.

16:04 Yeah, of course. So when I was first doing the Reiki trainings, I did Reiki one and two, and that was when I didn't practice. I then continued to do Reiki 345 Master Grandmaster, and you know, it was just increasing the depth, the capacity and the power of it.

16:25 Yeah, it was amazing to be able to do these and, and then to share it and to have clients and workshops. You know, I, I love this work. I then specialized in Angelic Reiki, which, yeah, I, I kind of separate as something else entirely. Yeah.

16:47 My first experience of Angelic Reiki, I just walked into a room and I was like, wow, like what is this energy? It was so felt to me, but like pure and high vibrational and supportive. Like I just loved it. I kept going back and yeah, then I ended up doing Angelic Rake 1234 Master, Master teacher. Just serial trainings of the same way. It seems like it's all very much in alignment, especially once we get into some of the class and what you makes you unique and special.

17:21 There was no hesitation. I was like, oh, this is, this is my work. And, and the more that, yeah, I learnt in these trainings, the more I was attuned to this energy. Yeah. It just felt pure alignment, you know, things just coming back full circle and starting to make sense in a big, big way.

17:40 So it sounds like to kind of go back to the original question, which is not the most important thing, but just for the sequential mind. You know, you did a lot of these trainings and things like that. And there was a point in which a lot of this was for you, you know, not really necessarily wanting to be a, we called it a yoga teacher or a facilitator.

18:00 But then at some point there was a transition of like, I want to do this, I want to help other people. I want to be able to hold space for other people. Or you said, I don't know if there's workshops or something like that. You know, we talked about the yoga teacher trainings here with, you know, whether it be the 200 hour or the empowerment. And, you know, you've done a lot of trainings with us as well. But like, yeah, could you like 0 in a little bit more on not necessarily the specifics, but

18:23 the moment that that I just want to share this. I want to this is more than just for me. It's it's going to extend beyond me. Yeah. Do you have like a recollection of that? Yeah, they say. There's two big moments. One was during the reckoning and I think I had someone talking about when you know, you go through something and you know, I've heard it called like dark night of the soul or like, you know, a a soul moment, say where your soul goes, OK, let's blow up this life and you know your

18:54 purpose is over here and, you know, a breakdown. And I think what separates it or what I've heard separates it is there is some element of you knowing on a soul level this is happening for me. And so when I was going through that time, it was like this underneath it, this very, very calm feeling of this is happening for a reason.

19:22 And this reason is bigger than me. And it's OK. And that really was like my guiding light through it. And then, you know, as part of the journey and things started to unfold, it just became very clear of like, Oh no, I'm here to navigate this so I can help and guide others through this in a different way.

19:45 And the yoga moment was when we were on the, the training, you know, I, I really hadn't thought about teaching at all until teaching the in the finals. And I had that moment of. The same feeling that I got when I was on stage, but and even in a different way, but of just something coming through me and I was like, oh, like this, this is where I'm at.

20:12 Like this is full circle. And yeah, from that I like finished the training. I went to go back to London and I started teaching straight away. I was like, it gave me so much life and purpose and all the things that I really hadn't had up until then.

20:29 And it still does. So I don't know if we've talked about it before, but we might have. But did you feel like this a lot of this energetic work and these experiences, you know, you use the word coming through you, but I caught I, I heard like channelling.

20:44 So, you know, channelling is probably a more familiar word to people in some ways. But like, what would you say about that? The experience of being up there and being able to transmit something unseen to some degree. Peru as a facilitator. Yeah, I would.

21:00 I would definitely describe it that way. You know, when I used to, it's always to help me understand looking back at being on stage at theatre, in theatre and being like that's that was channelling. That was why I felt that way in that moment, because I was Co creating something. Something was, yeah, was being channelled through me and to people.

21:23 And yeah, it just felt like what? I'm here to do my work, but. But in a way not because the words weren't mine. And, you know, someone was telling me where to stand. And there's a there's a contrived aspect to it. It is performance, right?

21:40 But then, yeah, with, with teaching and with this energy work, it's completely different. It's like, Oh yeah, I am here to facilitate. I'm here to be a bridge between something so much bigger than me and the people here.

21:55 And yeah, that that's my work. I'm here to to bridge this energy, to bridge this experience, to hold the experience. And yeah, it's, it's, it's insane. Like it continues to blow me away. You know, Byron caught me up to like sub last minute for a class and I, I was like, oh, OK.

22:18 Like I'd like not had time to like think through or do prep that I would usually do. And I got there and I was like, I'm trusting. I'm just fully trusting that was supposed to come through, comes through. And it just did in a way that astounded me and, like, blew me away. And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm not in the driving seat of this. Like, I'm just allowing, you know what? What's there to come through?

22:45 And yeah, I, I love that I get to do this. I'm very grateful that there's unseen support. Yeah, that sounds great. I don't know how relatable some of this stuff can be for some people, but maybe some people. But to me, the way I hear it a little bit is this.

23:01 There's a certain, I don't even say a certain level, but there needs to be a level of surrender to allow this passing, transmission, channeling, whatever you want to call it through. But I can imagine, hey, Aaron, I need you to come teach empowerment in 12 hours from now. Can you do it?

23:21 And you're probably like, there's probably some nervous energy there, some low to medium level anxiety to some degree being like, oh shit, mental thought that might be kind of like interrupting or condition patterns of like fear or whatever that comes through. And I'm sure that is relatable to a lot of people. But then, and this is often what we try to share with people is like, how do we let go of that so that you can just be of service?

23:44 How do you surrender so that your authentic, this can come through? And it sounds like that's something that you were able to cultivate and kind of really learn how to do overtime and practice, which is just to surrender and trust that what's going to happen, what's going to come through you, what's going to, you know, through your words, through your facilitation is going to be what it needs to be. Yeah, I'd say it's exactly that.

24:07 Like, how can I get out of my own way, which I'm sure a lot of people recognize and can relate to. Yeah, like how? How do you know? I was told this around acting actually. And you know, when I went through a phase where just out of nowhere I would get stage fright and I, I grew up acting.

24:27 So it was, it took me by surprise that it just came from nowhere. And the director said to me, it was like, oh, you're, you're getting self-conscious because you're thinking about yourself. And the way to get past it is to focus on doing something. And you know, I feel like actually that's not so helpful because you know, there's so much put on doing, you know, the doing.

24:54 It's more the being like, but can can you just not be here as like, I need to be focused on me and conscious of me, but can I just be here and that I'm going to be of service and show up and hold the space and be present to it.

25:14 And if I do that and I'm focused on others and their experience, then I'm thinking less about, you know, what everyone's thinking about me and more about what I'm here to. I'm going to not say do, even though that that's the thread.

25:32 I'm what I'm here to be. To be for people, yeah, whatever that is. Yeah. But yeah, there's, there's big time trust and surrender and that's been a huge, huge unfolding and, and journey to, to learn to do more of that. I've moments of great surrender that I feel like, wow, I've unlocked it and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, I gotta somehow figure out how to go back to that sometimes 'cause you know, life happens in ways.

25:57 So here I got a question for you. How would you describe your teaching style in three words? In three words, that's really hard. And then also why you can start with one at a time if you want. Or try not to think about it too much and just allow a word to come through and we can break it down afterwards.

26:18 My teaching style, everything that motivates me, it always comes back to love. Like how can I just be love? Can I? How can I be love? Teach love, hold love. So, so love. So love. OK, good love. Capacity, capacity, capacity can hold, can hold a lot.

26:41 Like you're strong, like 500 lbs or. Yeah, like capacity, yeah. Maybe it's the strength. The strength factor, you know, my work is I feel to just hold the space so that people can show up and whatever they bring, they can be with. They can feel like it can be held within the space so they have a place where they can breathe where they can B potentially feel safe to go a bit deeper if that is what it shows up.

27:21 Ultimately, no one is too much for you. Yeah, yeah. Not found it yet. You know, it's this level of like unconditional support, like I yeah, I can hold it. That's probably not 3 though. That's only two. Changing doesn't feel quite right as the word. So transformation or I mean growth, yeah, there's something shifting.

27:42 Yeah about it that could say my, you know, the classes that that shift people, even if it's just oh, I'm glad I came to the class today that that smaller shift. But I'm, you know, the first thing I'm looking for is has the front's nervous system, what's the capacity? And then the second is 1 needs to move, one needs to change, to transform, to grow and how can I help with that? OK, love capacity and transformation with an hysterics of potentially another word.

28:19 I like it. So what's your favorite yoga pose? My favorite yoga pose is camel pose. It's a big heart opener and I feel like it's the quickest to show anything that's not loved. Interesting. OK, OK, I'm a pose. Definitely not my favorite. What's your favorite yogurt?

28:46 When I was asked this question I said puppy dog but at the time when I was asked this question my my thoracic spine was very very stiff and probably sitting in this chair so much. But I've been practicing a lot lately and I realized that Nah I don't really feel that anymore. So my usual ansil is triangle actually. Kanga's a very underrated pose.

29:07 Yeah, just very expansive and. Yeah. There's like inner energy but also expansive energy. I just, yeah, I really like that one. Yeah, I mean, I love that. I love the poses, I love the asanas, but they're tools, you know, They're not the yoga.

29:21 There's been a lot of people that have mastered A handstand. Have they mastered the yoga? Has anyone? I've not met anyone that's completed yoga yet. Have you? I don't. Know it's a never ending video game. It feels like levels just never, it's just always another level.

29:37 So next question I have for you is based off of all this, you know, we're getting a sense of knowing you a little bit more of, you know, a very unique person that you are compared to, you know, some of the other facilitators, you know, we've talked about yoga asana and stuff like that, and we've had, you know, breathwork teacher coming in.

29:54 And but ultimately, this energetic work is might even be foreign for some people to be like, I understand energy, but like maybe not like Aaron does. Sounds like Aaron really understands, maybe even understands, but feels energy in such a way. So this question is centered around when someone walks into your class, one of your classes at the in movement, what do you hope that they get to experience or feel after they walk out? I love that question 'cause I

30:27 think it's a, it's a felt experience. You know, There's so much that we can see and experience that way. And as we were mentioning a bit earlier, you know, need to see, to believe. And then there's things that we feel. So I'd, I'd hope that they felt just the pure love of that.

30:54 They can show up exactly as they are. They don't need to be anything other than who they are right at that moment. They can leave anything that they need to at the door and can choose whether or not they want to collect it on the way out. And I would hope they felt that they were supported in unseen ways that they may not be aware of and the shifts that can come with that.

31:24 And, you know, when we're working on an energetical level, we're working with the vastness of all the we are that all the, you know, so much of what we are is not physical. I quoted something, I don't know how accurate it is, but it's like 85% energy, 15% physical matter.

31:48 So when we're working with our energy, you know, we're actually shifting our external world, you know, when we shift the internal, the external reorders itself around that. And we're also working with things that are very real.

32:08 You know, we, we may not be connected to it or some may feel more connected than others, but that instinct of like, oh, like I feel like someone's thinking about me or, you know, someone's going to call me. I've got a feeling I'm going to hear from this person or, you know, experiences that we have had in our lives, like we carry them within our energy field and, you know, we can move them, we can transform them.

32:39 We can change that. We can shift our energy field and that allows, in my experience, deep, deep, deep transformation of of all that we are. And you know, it's a gift to be able to to support that work, that energetical work. Because I feel like, yeah, to me, it goes hand in hand with the yoga.

33:07 You know, the yoga's doing that anyway. This is just an added an added filter. And So what are you currently working on that is maybe for yourself or what like what are you most interested in right now? Because you know, and obviously energy is something that you are interested in, but it's something you've done a lot of. Is there something new or is there something that something else that's going on in the background for you? Like in terms of my personal

33:38 practice or? Yeah. Like, what are you exploring or refining for your own practice? For your own facilitation? Maybe both? I think maybe 2, I think maybe there's two questions there. So the first, like my own practice, my word for this year is joy. So how do I move at the pace of joy? And I think when something that you love becomes your work, there is like an element of losing that enjoyment. And like last year, my practice, my work, it felt very, there was a lot of inner processing, a lot

34:12 of reorganizing, transforming. And, you know, this year it's felt like lighter and expensive. And yeah, they finding that that way of, of just still moving with that enjoyment. And you know, what parts of myself kind of bring into my practice, you know what, what else is new, what else is here?

34:41 And then on that, you know, I always come back to the teaching that there really is only one of us here. So that when I see feel something that's like on a collective level, like, you know, this, the world is at war right now and a lot of people are experiencing that, you know, whenever separated from it. So then, yeah, I come back to, you know, what's my own responsibility in that?

35:10 There's a story that I love about shamans. Have I got time for this? OK, so there's three shamans, and there's a village, and they're suffering from a fire. So they call in these three shamans, and two of them go immediately to the fire, and they start performing incantations to try and put the fire out.

35:28 And there's one shaman. She just goes, she doesn't even go to the fire. She just goes into her tent and they're all working on this fire. And then eventually, like suddenly the fire goes out and they all know that it was her that did it.

35:42 And so they go to her and they said, like, how did you do it? And she said, well, I went to the place inside of me that was out of balance and I put the fire out there. And so, yeah, like what's my work at the moment? Where am I at Woolworth myself? And where can I bring more peace? Like, yeah, into my practice, into what I share. Yeah.

36:12 And then to that end of, of, of what I'm sharing, like I'm, you know, I'm, I'm flawed by this empowerment work and the impact that it's had for me and, and the impact that it has in people's eyes and like just a couple of hours sometimes.

36:29 So I'm honored to be able to be sharing this on a regular basis, to be doing more workshops. And then yeah, with Angelic healing, Angelic Reiki, I'm really grateful that I'm able to be able to share this weekly and to be able to do more intensives, more workshops. And then I think building towards sharing, yeah, like deeper form work.

36:55 So retreats, trainings later in the year, I think feels like things are like naturally flowing that way. And then, yeah, sharing more, more of my story, more of my voice. It feels like a big voice, yeah. I mean, the podcast is here for you as well.

37:13 I'm really excited about this. Yeah. I mean, you, you have, you've opened some interests of mine that is going to be like, I think I'm going to get Aaron back on here to talk about some other things here. This is mostly an introduction, but I feel like, you know, we even got a bit deeper than that. So a teaser, if you will, a teaser if you will. We'll bring it to a close.

37:33 So yeah, if people wanted to connect with you and they wanted to just kind of learn more, ask you a question or anything like that, obviously come to the studio and take your classes. There's that's one thing. But also, if they just wanted to reach out, what's the best way for them to do that?

37:47 Yeah, well, they can catch me on Instagram. It's at Miss Erin Hayes. ERINHAYES. Cool, and we'll have that in the notes. Just send me a message, Yeah. Love to hear from you. Thank you so much for coming in, for the time, for sharing your story. I'm sure there'll be more opportunities to get more, so I'm thankful and grateful for that. Thank you SO.

38:11 Much thank you to the listeners for tuning in this week. Again, if you have any questions, you can reach out to Aaron. That'll be in the show notes. Of course, you can reach out to us. Otherwise, come see us at the studio.

38:20 We're excited. It's been a long time that we've been putting this together. So like Aaron and some of the other facilitators, we're here to welcome and bring you into the community. So we hope to see you soon. Take care for now.